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Old 12-12-2005, 02:24 AM
ShortySaurus ShortySaurus is offline
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Default Re: insta fold with overpair 25/50

also it should be added that villain is probably the least experienced at the table.....do you think his reraising preflop hand range opens up then?
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:03 PM
Matt Flynn Matt Flynn is offline
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Default Re: insta fold with overpair 25/50

that was a big preflop raise on your part and out of the blinds, so his most likely hand is still AA>KK even with the minraise. yes players usually know better than to do that with AA/KK, but in this case you fired huge out of the sb. very different situation imo. but durrrr plays those games; i don't. if he has it he should go to the felt, so i minimum call for set equity. if he can correctly "get away" from KK on a Qxx board with a 2K pot and 4K behind, he's a better player than i.

unclear how tight is tight. tightest player at that table may not be that tight. however, any tightish player who reraises a 10x sb raise from the bb deserves some credit as long as the game isn't an sb raise-steal game, which most aren't.

imo good play, good laydown, sorry he didn't have it. terrible show.
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Old 12-12-2005, 03:08 PM
9cao 9cao is offline
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Default Re: insta fold with overpair 25/50

Out of curiosity, what do you do if you hold KK in that same exact spot?
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Old 12-12-2005, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: insta fold with overpair 25/50

Minraise preflop makes no sense to me with KK. For fvck's sake, you probably have to call that minraise with a hand like AQ suited or AK suited, not to mention a lot of pocket pairs. I think that this is AA maybe 65% of the time, a very oddly played KK 15% of time, and a pocket pair below QQ 20% of the time. More importantly, if you check a flop w/o an A in it, I think that he is going to play as if he has AA almost 100% of the time, which means that you are very likely to stack him if you flop a set. Looks like a call to me preflop and fold on the flop is fine. A push preflop is Grade A retarded as others have noted.
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:12 PM
ShortySaurus ShortySaurus is offline
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Default villain\'s hand....

after i showed QQ, he flipped over two black aces. Is showing still a bad play if you believe villain will show his cards too?
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: villain\'s hand....

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after i showed QQ, he flipped over two black aces. Is showing still a bad play if you believe villain will show his cards too?

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yes.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: villain\'s hand....

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after i showed QQ, he flipped over two black aces.

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WHO DIDNT KNOW THAT?
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:26 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Re: villain\'s hand....

I'm interested in your reasoning for showing. Why do you think it's smart? How will you exploit the info you just gave later in the game? Or is it just a "See what a great laydown I am making, how cool am I".?
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:55 PM
Howard Treesong Howard Treesong is offline
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Default Re: villain\'s hand....

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after i showed QQ, he flipped over two black aces. Is showing still a bad play if you believe villain will show his cards too?

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Yes, I think so. You have much more information about his hand than he does about yours, and if he's a thinking player, he's trying to understand your massive PF overbet. Your show gives him way too much information about it.

His responsive show helps you somewhat, but AA is certainly in the range of hands he'd play just that way -- so his showing doesn't get you that much.

Once the big overbet is in, I would have played it just like you did -- except for the show.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:20 PM
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after i showed QQ, he flipped over two black aces. Is showing still a bad play if you believe villain will show his cards too?

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A lot of people play poker as a competetition, to prove they are better then everyone else. Your play exhibits this behaviour. Do not continue it.
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