flopped trips, re raised on turn

Suited connectors in LP, I limped and flopped trips, bb is LAG, no read on UTG1, MP2 is solid.

Preflop: Hero has 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in CO
UTG folds, UTG1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, bb checks

Flop: (4.5 SB) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
bb checks,<font color="red">UTG1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, bb calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
bb checks, <font color="red">UTG1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, <font color="red">bb 3-bets</font>, UTG1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls

My read at this point is that bb has at least trip 5's with a better kicker than my 4, maybe a boat since he was the bb. I figured UTG1 has pp, or hit K on turn and MP2 has flush draw. The pot is too big to fold, but should I have capped the turn? Should I raise on the river, or, just call?

[Aaron W.]

You should have raised on the flop when most players were trapped.

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The pot is too big to fold, but should I have capped the turn?

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The first half of the sentence does not fit well with the second half. The second half of the sentence doesn't go well with this:

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My read at this point is that bb has at least trip 5's with a better kicker than my 4, maybe a boat since he was the bb.

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Your best play is to just call the 3-bet on the turn and call a river bet. You have a hand that's too strong to fold, but not strong enough to want to put in lots of bets. Get to the showdown for two bets and see what they have.

[cfjr2]

My thoughts -

Turn: problem here is you called the flop...so UTG1 bets again and now you raise - everyone thinks you have Kx.

BB may have (EDIT: or 2 clubs) 5x or K5 or K3 or Kx. I think AK or K3 or Kx for top pair / 2 pair (vs sad bottom pair or overcards on the flop) so he doesn't believe you or he may have you beat - you need to cap.

River: depends on the card...and who bets / doesn't bet.

[deception5]

I'd go ahead and raise the flop.

The way you played it though I'd call after the check/3-bet. You have a lot of hidden outs for a split if he just has a better kicker.

[TomBrooks]

Raise the flop. As played, call down.

I figured that I would wait until the turn to raise for several reasons. These may be wrong and I hope someone will tell me if they are.
No one is folding after committing one bet on the flop. If they have a flush draw, or str8 flush draw, or just a str8 draw, they would call the raise, have a good idea that I had trips &amp; check it to me on the turn and re-draw for the river.
If the turn card looks pretty safe I feel confident that I have the best hand and can trap everyone for 2 big bets on the turn given I have great position. The turn 3-bet from the bb was unexpected.
In the end, a blank hit the river, the bb bet, UTG1 called, MP2 folded and I called. bb showed J5, UTG1 showed AK, and I lost the pot w/ trip 5's and 4 kicker.
Final Pot: 18 BB

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I figured that I would wait until the turn to raise for several reasons. These may be wrong and I hope someone will tell me if they are.
No one is folding after committing one bet on the flop. If they have a flush draw, or str8 flush draw, or just a str8 draw, they would call the raise, have a good idea that I had trips &amp; check it to me on the turn and re-draw for the river.
If the turn card looks pretty safe I feel confident that I have the best hand and can trap everyone for 2 big bets on the turn given I have great position. The turn 3-bet from the bb was unexpected.
In the end, a blank hit the river, the bb bet, UTG1 called, MP2 folded and I called. bb showed J5, UTG1 showed AK, and I lost the pot w/ trip 5's and 4 kicker.
Final Pot: 18 BB

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A raise is forcing BB to call 2 cold, getting 3.25:1, which is technically not enough for a straight or flush draw, and he just might fold on this board. Furthermore, if he does "call anyway" then he is making a -EV move, while you are making a +EV move. Bet it now. Furthermore, BB UTG+1 has not defined his hand. He may be betting out with overcards or a mid-PP because he feels he has the best hand. Even if he 3-bets, you will both be trapping MP2 in between. Again, -EV for him.

grunch...

anyone else fold preflop here? i know i do

flop you have to raise, wheel and flush draws need to be charged, plus you have the field trapped for 2 anyway

the rest of the hand plays pretty differently after that... but how you have played it you should definitely not be capping the turn. id probably call down

Edit: noone else mentioned preflop?? there are 2 limpers and very low suited connectors. if you do manage to get 6 runners you are guaranteed to lose position.... surely there isnt enough value here?

[hizo1]

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grunch...

anyone else fold preflop here? i know i do

flop you have to raise, wheel and flush draws need to be charged, plus you have the field trapped for 2 anyway

the rest of the hand plays pretty differently after that... but how you have played it you should definitely not be capping the turn. id probably call down

Edit: noone else mentioned preflop?? there are 2 limpers and very low suited connectors. if you do manage to get 6 runners you are guaranteed to lose position.... surely there isnt enough value here?

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I think it depends on how much value you can extract post-flop from the other players, which depends on your reads of the blinds and limpers. This hand is marginal and you don't give up much by either limping or folding.