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08-20-2005, 06:57 PM
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I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter
MP (t240) Button (t3769) Hero (t1956) BB (t1322) UTG (t713) Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1956 (All-In)</font> <font color="red"> I seriously might fold this if UTG didn't exist, and smalley was the same way. Thoughts? This is still too early to play weak... </font> 
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#3
08-20-2005, 07:03 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
Has the big stack been raising a lot? Has he shown down any cards?
In this general situation, I would call the bet and push if no overcards come out or if I felt villain was weak if a queen came out. If the big stack had been a bully I raise all in. If not, I fold. Interesting scenario.
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#4
08-20-2005, 07:05 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
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Has the big stack been raising a lot? Has he shown down any cards? In this general situation, I would call the bet and push if no overcards come out or if I felt villain was weak if a queen came out. If the big stack had been a bully I raise all in. If not, I fold. Interesting scenario. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, most bigstacks at my level are complete donkeys at this stage of the game. I would put that number at about 95% of the time.
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#6
08-20-2005, 07:08 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
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Totally standard. [/ QUOTE ]
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#7
08-20-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
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[ QUOTE ] Totally standard. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] PS Especially short handed
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#8
08-20-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
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[ QUOTE ] Has the big stack been raising a lot? Has he shown down any cards? In this general situation, I would call the bet and push if no overcards come out or if I felt villain was weak if a queen came out. If the big stack had been a bully I raise all in. If not, I fold. Interesting scenario. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, most bigstacks at my level are complete donkeys at this stage of the game. I would put that number at about 95% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Donkeys call with K10 and A9 etc. Especially if they feel they are being challenged with a big stack. Although you would be ahead, you're risking your entire game when you don't have to. That is why I am a little hesitant. This has happend to me so many times that I considered it a -$EV leak and since then my results have improved. I am only talking about this specific situation though.
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#9
08-20-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Has the big stack been raising a lot? Has he shown down any cards? In this general situation, I would call the bet and push if no overcards come out or if I felt villain was weak if a queen came out. If the big stack had been a bully I raise all in. If not, I fold. Interesting scenario. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, most bigstacks at my level are complete donkeys at this stage of the game. I would put that number at about 95% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Donkeys call with K10 and A9 etc. Especially if they feel they are being challenged with a big stack. Although you are would be ahead, you're risking your entire game when you don't have to. That is why I am a little hesitant. This has happend to me so many times that I considered it a -$EV leak and since then my results have improved. I am only talking about this specific situation though. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I see "some" merit in calling. That being said, if I double up here, it's generally smooth sailing to first (maybe 2nd). Folding here, or call folding generally means less. Also, in my experience, when you win against bigstack here, he often goes on tilt. That being said. A lot of donkeys really tighten up at this stage. I don't think they really want to tangle with the 2nd stack without a real hand. I feel like I'm defending my decision too much. I just want to lay all the points on the table. If I'm wrong, or there is a better way, I'm still open.
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#10
08-20-2005, 07:15 PM
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Re: I hate tangling with the bigstack... $33
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That being said. A lot of donkeys really tighten up at this stage. I don't think they really want to tangle with the 2nd stack without a real hand. [/ QUOTE ] You're giving a donkey credit for thinking a hand through? Isn't that an oxymoron? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Another question would be, how did the big stack get his chips? Coinflips, bad beats or good play? What's your read on him?
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