The new forum: A positive for the online poker playing community.

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do not bother asking me what % i make as an affiliate because i am not going to tell you. that is private information, i would never ask you how much you make / what your paycheck is.


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Yeah, but I'm not trying to set up a business partnership with you. You're a big business trying to partner with a bunch of little businesses, but you refuse to provide specifics of your business model. Why on earth you think anyone would partner with you under those conditions baffles me.

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why would they partner with me? wow, because i give the best %s, offer great tools, have a team of advisers, and have been through it all... they can learn from my many many mistakes.

ask a few of my affiliates how they like us [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] or, give us a shot. i would rather have you hate my business after youve tried it.

[craig r]

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The whole rakeback business is just waiting to implode.

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What is this based on?

craig

[sublime]

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The whole rakeback business is just waiting to implode.

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What is this based on?

craig

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you havent gotten mondays edition of the wall st journal i take it?

and you call yourselves professionals!

[craig r]

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The whole rakeback business is just waiting to implode.

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What is this based on?

craig

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I don't have time to read it. I am too busy reading "In Touch" and "The National Inquirer".

craig

you havent gotten mondays edition of the wall st journal i take it?

and you call yourselves professionals!

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but you refuse to provide specifics of your business model.

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Business model: a design of the operations of a business which focuses on how revenue will be generated

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At AEV, the majority of what we talk about with our users is how to generate revenue and create a successful business model. We discuss stats reporting, employee structure, marketing potential and many other aspects of operation.

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ask a few of my affiliates how they like us [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] or, give us a shot. i would rather have you hate my business after youve tried it.

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I'm just a rakeback consumer, one who was leaning toward rakerebate.net in a current decision, and frankly I'm now strongly considering taking a worse offer than what yours might be (from an affiliate who offered more than 25% in writing, no less, something Craig refused to do and one of you said in the forum couldn't be done) because I have no faith in either your honesty or your business sense. It's obvious that you'd rather operate as far from the public eye as possible. I can't say whether it's because you intend to cheat your customers. But then again I can't say it's not, either, because you've set yourselves up to have near-zero accountability. I certainly don't feel like I can trust a verbal offer from Craig at this point; I've sent him email to that effect.

I don't really care if you post your numbers here; it's not all that hard to guess them from the ones on your website. What I do care about is your constant evasions and bullshit metaphors, and the repeated resort to "you're missing information" followed by refusal to provide that information when asked for. The arguments from authority are really getting old.

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but you refuse to provide specifics of your business model.

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Business model: a design of the operations of a business which focuses on how revenue will be generated

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At AEV, the majority of what we talk about with our users is how to generate revenue and create a successful business model. We discuss stats reporting, employee structure, marketing potential and many other aspects of operation.

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Do you understand the word "your"? I'm quite certain you're perfectly willing to discuss their business model, as well as their salaries if it comes to that.

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Do you understand the word "your"? I'm quite certain you're perfectly willing to discuss their business model, as well as their salaries if it comes to that.

It is implied that the business model that we provide to our users is based on the business model we've used to become successful. The difference is that it is tailored to each user based on age, location, budget and several other factors. We discuss our business model at length with our users.

Do you understand that the percentages we offer are higher than the percentages that an affiliate could receive if he/she signed up directly to the site? This is a catalyst that helps affiliates earn revenues and create marketing budgets that would take several months(at least) to achieve.

You'll have to excuse me for not posting our numbers on a public internet board to satisfy your curiousity. Even if I did post them, people would critize us for bragging. Someone will always try to find fault with our reasoning.

I have reasonably explained our position on this matter. If you still disagree, then that is your right.

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[Joe Tall]

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Where do you see online poker in a few years from now?

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About twice as big as it is now. It's still growing and we are starting to dawn on the affiliate-age and this will help it grow even more.

[Joe Tall]

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This is a little strange since your name is not green.

Shilling for affiliates now Joe?

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No, I strongly believe in everything I've said in my original post.