"Tough Fold"? :-)

aflaba temp · #1 08-06-2005, 07:29 PM

EDIT: Forgot to write Villain is TAG with handsome looking stats

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds

dave44 · #2 08-06-2005, 07:44 PM

He can't be betting a Jack?

ghostface · #3 08-06-2005, 07:47 PM

raise, bet, free showdown

timprov · #4 08-06-2005, 07:58 PM

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This is often my line in similar situations. But I think this is a flop you can fold, presuming the donkbettor is even a little bit reasonable. Betting into a PFR on this flop with a hand that's behind QQ is pretty awful.

Argus · #5 08-06-2005, 08:05 PM

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raise, bet, free showdown

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This is often my line in similar situations. But I think this is a flop you can fold, presuming the donkbettor is even a little bit reasonable. Betting into a PFR on this flop with a hand that's behind QQ is pretty great when PFR is willing to fold his better hand.

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fyp

get to showdown inexpensively. I've found this is the solution to a lot of close shorthanded situations. This is close to WA/WB, but it's more like somewhat ahead/way behind, so some cards might induce me to fold the turn or river.

timprov · #6 08-06-2005, 08:07 PM

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raise, bet, free showdown

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This is often my line in similar situations. But I think this is a flop you can fold, presuming the donkbettor is even a little bit reasonable. Betting into a PFR on this flop with a hand that's behind QQ is pretty great when PFR is willing to fold his better hand.

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You can't be serious. PFR isn't ever folding anything except QQ/TT here. Betting into his range of hands is really awful.

tolbiny · #7 08-06-2005, 08:11 PM

66-99, And hands like AQ and AT have to fold on the turn unimproved.

#8 08-06-2005, 08:12 PM

I think folding is terrible. He might c/r a good hand.
Raise and expect to pick up the pot on the turn!

tolbiny · #9 08-06-2005, 08:13 PM

"Betting into a PFR on this flop with a hand that's behind QQ is pretty awful."

What the hell are you doing playing against guys who make good decisions all the time?

timprov · #10 08-06-2005, 08:21 PM

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66-99, And hands like AQ and AT have to fold on the turn unimproved.

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Did you even notice this is 4-handed to the flop? AQ/AT are raising the flop and surely not folding the turn. And doing this with any hand that wants 66-TT to fold is just about the dumbest thing in the world.