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#1
10-29-2005, 07:31 PM
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turned bottom 2
2-4
great table. though i don't know which guys are the bad ones or the good ones. limper. raiser. sb is a caller and i'm a caller in the bb with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. limper calls. flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] sb is a checker. i'm a bettor. limper is a folder. raiser is a raiser again. sb is a folder. i'm a 3-bettor. now pause.... the turn card is going to be the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. you somehow know this in advance. what do you do on the turn if the raiser caps the flop? what do you do on the turn if the raiser doesn't cap the flop but raises your turn bet? 
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#2
10-29-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: turned bottom 2
he caps: I c/r, a donk bet here looks will probably look too scary
he raises turn: I bet/3-bet
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#3
10-29-2005, 08:07 PM
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Re: turned bottom 2
If he caps I bet/call turn and c/c call river. I don't think a typical 2/4 player will cap this flop enough with AK to make cring the turn correct and having to face a 3bet some of the time. By bet/calling and check calling down you are saving a bet when behind. If he doesnt cap I checkraise turn where he will definitely be trying to charge you for the draw.
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#4
10-30-2005, 02:24 AM
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Re: turned bottom 2
Whichever plan Villain has, I think there's a decent chance I'm drawing with my bottom two. As far as that goes, I'm thinking Villain generally likes his hand a little more when he's going to wait and pop the turn. But he could be very strong if he caps the flop too.
Anyway, we've got lots of outs even if we are behind. I think I like bet-calling if he caps the flop. When we lead after his flop cap, that shows a good deal of strength, so if Villain raises, I think I slow down and just call down unless I improve. If he just called the flop 3-bet but I somehow knew he planned to pop the turn, then I guess what I need to decide is whether I want to put in one bet (with a check-call) or 2-3 bets (with a checkraise-call) or 3-4 bets (with a bet/3-bet). I think I like a checkraise-call, but if I actually have to call a 3-bet, I'm not happy, and I'm hoping Villain is just overreacting to the way I messed with his plans or that I improve on the river. Hmm. Maybe my hand is worth exactly two bets and I should bet-call, which doesn't open me up to a cap (as a bet/3-bet would) and doesn't open me up to a 3-bet of a turn checkraise. All right. I'm confusing myself, so I'll stop now. I wonder if I'm thinking about this hand wrong just in general, because I think I would have gone for a checkraise on the flop.
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#5
10-30-2005, 06:06 AM
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Re: turned bottom 2
[ QUOTE ]
what do you do on the turn if the raiser caps the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Check and call. [ QUOTE ] what do you do on the turn if the raiser doesn't cap the flop but raises your turn bet? [/ QUOTE ] Call and river a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], preferably one that doesn't pair the board.
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#7
10-30-2005, 06:13 AM
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Re: turned bottom 2
If flop capped I'd bet/call. I can see the raiser getting aggr. with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or maybe even K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
If turn raised calldown unless a heart falls.
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#8
10-30-2005, 06:35 AM
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Re: turned bottom 2
he capps i check call,
he calls the three bet i lead the turn. i think your ahead more often than behind here.. unless he has AA or AJ or JJ. That leaves just about every other PP and ATs+ as his possible two cards.
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#9
10-30-2005, 08:28 AM
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Re: turned bottom 2
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Call and river a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], preferably one that doesn't pair the board. [/ QUOTE ] I'll pay you $100 to show me a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that pairs the board.
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#10
10-30-2005, 02:08 PM
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Re: turned bottom 2
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Call and river a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], preferably one that doesn't pair the board. [/ QUOTE ] I'll pay you $100 to show me a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that pairs the board. [/ QUOTE ] Oops, my bad.
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