quality of play in stars WSOP double shootouts?

[obeythekitten]

never played on stars before (typically an UB player with occasional SNG play on party with rakeback) but created an account the other day when i heard about their double shootouts for $160

sounds perfect for me as i hate playing in the $109 UB WSOP sats only to play for over four hours then recieve nothing when i bust out in what would normally be a good finishing position for a $109 MTT

i'm watching one right now and although it doesnt appear to have any outstanding players, i feel like i must be looking at a table thats the exception, as i cant see many weak players wanting to pony up $160 (whereas plenty of shitty players win their way into UB ones through $10 turbo SNG's)

so yeah like the thread title says....is the quality of play generally high for these?

any strategy changes besides the obvious one of stealing a LOT of blinds once reaching the final table when many will be playing scared?

edit - although i have played in plenty of SNG's before at just about every level, i have never played in any kind of shootout tournament

[TylerD]

Whenever I've looked at them they seemed to be filled with pretty good tourny players, I'm going to try their regular satellites instead.

[admo415]

What is a shootout tournament?

[obeythekitten]

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What is a shootout tournament?

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81 players total pay $160 to play 9 seperate single table tournaments.

the winner of each single table tournament goes onto a second single table tournament where he/she plays the winners of the other 8 tables.

the winner of the second table gets a WSOP seat, and places 2-8 get their $160 back, 9th place gets $30.

[evilganz]

Several times a day, there are double shootouts where a majority of players won their entry via 5.50 + rebuy supersatellites. I've neither played nor kibitzed, but those might be weaker.

[AnyAce]

I agree. A ton of people win entries through the $5 WSOP Rebuy Crapshoot as my friends call it. 5 min levels, unlimited rebuys for 30 minutes. They go from 300+ players to 30+ winners in about 90 minutes. Basically it's a pushfest during the rebuy period and then stall city late in the game. Not saying that good players don't win here as well, however, luck a huge factor with 5 min levels (obviously).

AA

[obeythekitten]

it sats on their website they have considered triple shootouts (win three single tables to win your seat) and i could only imagine how terrible some of the players in these would be

[obeythekitten]

bump

[slickpoppa]

The quality of play is medicore because of the large influx of 5+rebuy players. I would say that the ones at 7 and 9:15 EST are the loosest. In the late stages, most of the players are bad at shorthanded play and either don't steal enough, or are too eager to go all-in. In general the double shootouts are won and lost at the 100 and 150 levels.

But even though the play is in general pretty soft, there are still some sharks out there who might be tough to get through. Also, the DS's are pretty high variance. I think the Sunday 650s are the best option for a skilled player.

[MicroBob]

FWIW - I love their $5 satellites to the $160 shootouts (and usually just keep the T$) and have done pretty well at them by having a basic understanding (usually) of the appropriate strategy.

I also like the $5 and $10 turbo-sat's to the $350k guaranteed (which is T$215).



Most of the earlier comments are correct imo including:

- Many of the players in the shoot-outs won their seat via a $5 shoot-out event(almost immediately prior sometimes). They did not all directly pony-up $160.

- The quality of play in the double-shootouts still seems to be pretty reasonable. I have tried 3 of them and have yet to make the final-table. Very few mega-fish in the bunch. Some players a bit weak-tight naturally....but it still seems like there are enough strong-aggressive players to make it tough (limited experience of course).

- Played in one where we had 6 players remaining on our table at the 1-hour break. The chances of the first-round lasting over 1:30 to me (just 1 of 9 tables needs to go long) strikes me as high.
These are NOT the quickest single-table tourneys in the world (which is actually my preference of course).



IF I'm as good as I think I am (and that's a big IF) and there are at least a couple of not-so-strong players per table (in both the opening round and the final-table)
then I might generously put my chances at somewhere around 1:7 times 1:7 (for each table)....or about 1:50 to win the seat.


But since my first 3 tries on the shootouts have gone so crappily I may need to play a couple of Stars $10 SNG's or something to get back in the swing of things on these.


FWIW - I played a 1k FPP tourney for 1 seat to the WSOP. Finished 13th out of 260 or so (just referring to the frustration of 'speding 4 hours playing decently and getting nothing' bit)