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11-01-2005, 01:51 AM
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Weird river hand
5/10 6-handed. I just sat down recently, so less than 5 hands played, but Villain doesn't strike me as good based on his name and other things (I know, weak read). UTG limps, poster folds, I make it 60 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 1000 behind, folded to UTG (covers) who calls.
Flop K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] with 135 in the pot. Villain checks, I bet 110, he makes it 275, I call. Turn Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with 685 in the pot. Checked through. River K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with 685 in the pot. Villain bets 175. I have about 650 total left. Clearly I'm not going to fold. Raise or call? If raise, how much? 
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#3
11-01-2005, 02:10 AM
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Re: Weird river hand
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Why did you even bother betting this flop? check it! It's so much easier to win this way. [/ QUOTE ] i agree
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#4
11-01-2005, 02:15 AM
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Re: Weird river hand
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[ QUOTE ] Why did you even bother betting this flop? check it! It's so much easier to win this way. [/ QUOTE ] i agree [/ QUOTE ] what else do you guys check this flop with after raising pre? I understand that it does make the hand much easier to play, but since I c-bet with anything I rased preflop with and taking it down majority of the time, I feel that at times like this when I actaully do have something, I need to bet. and how would this differ from checking dry A82 flop in position with KK/QQ after raising preflop?
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#7
11-01-2005, 02:35 AM
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Re: Weird river hand
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I don't check flops dawg. I can see how it works out nicely with AA, but I don't want to check behind with 77 and have no idea what's going on. [/ QUOTE ] If you check with AK, AA, 77, QJ, etc. how is your situation any different on the turn than it would have been on, say, a Q82 flop or whatever?
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#9
11-01-2005, 01:21 PM
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Re: Weird river hand
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You have AA? WTF am i missing? [/ QUOTE ] I'm just saying that although checking behind with AA is better than betting the flop with AA, I would also raise preflop with a variety of weaker hands including 77 and 54s. In those cases, I would prefer to bet the flop and set up a double- or triple-barrel bluff that will let me take it down a good amount of the time. KKx isn't really the best flop for this because Kings are pretty popular cards, but on a 33x flop I'll just keep firing away with AA or with any other hand. Maybe I'm getting something confused; for those of you who advocate checking, do you check behind on KKx flops specifically, or any paired flop?
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#10
11-01-2005, 01:23 PM
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Re: Weird river hand
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[ QUOTE ] You have AA? WTF am i missing? [/ QUOTE ] I'm just saying that although checking behind with AA is better than betting the flop with AA, I would also raise preflop with a variety of weaker hands including 77 and 54s. In those cases, I would prefer to bet the flop and set up a double- or triple-barrel bluff that will let me take it down a good amount of the time. KKx isn't really the best flop for this because Kings are pretty popular cards, but on a 33x flop I'll just keep firing away with AA or with any other hand. Maybe I'm getting something confused; for those of you who advocate checking, do you check behind on KKx flops specifically, or any paired flop? [/ QUOTE ] I personally like to check behind often on any paired flop. If he didn't hit the flop hard, it is unlikely that the next card will make his hand. And if he did hit it hard, I'll be very happy I check behind. Particularly if the turn brings a miracle two outer for instance. But even if it doesn't, checking the flop helps in pot control and inducing bluffs.
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