what would you do?

[kagame]

youre much more than a tiny fav over a pair with a sf draw

[captZEEbo1]

I'd pot raise if he reraises you got to push. If he calls take free one on turn and don't plan on bluffing river.

[Big_Jim]

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youre much more than a tiny fav over a pair with a sf draw

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Huh?

To have a pair and a sf draw, villian has to have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and those are both runner runner draws (which, of course, can't hit, given our cards).

[VanVeen]

Agreed.

[yvesaint]

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youre much more than a tiny fav over a pair with a sf draw

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Huh?

To have a pair and a sf draw, villian has to have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and those are both runner runner draws (which, of course, can't hit, given our cards).

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no he's saying Hero is much more than a tiny fav v. 'a small pair' with his 'sf draw'

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I'd pot raise if he reraises you got to push. If he calls take free one on turn and don't plan on bluffing river.

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It's nice of him to give us the free turn -- we should add him to our christmas card list.

But what if he doesn't?

Or what if we make the draw, but lose our market because of the scary board?

Wouldn't it have been better to jam on the flop in either case?

dt

[MagnoliasFM]

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youre much more than a tiny fav over a pair with a sf draw

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Vs. AK no hearts you're only a slight favorite and you're actually a slight dog to AK with a heart. same with a pair of kings, queens or whatever. You're at best a roughly 2:1 favorite vs. a pair lower than jacks.

[mgsimpleton]

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you dont build pots with draws for the turn

NL 101

do what you can to get all in on the flop here

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i disagree. a lot.

you have implied odds. you have the best draw. you have position.

if you raise on the flop to keep him in (and he sucks so let's say he will call you down with a loser) you can likely take a free card on the turn if you miss, thereby investing like 1/3 your stack when you miss (less than 1/2 the time) and doubling up when you hit. if you put him all in you will take down a tiny pot.

you only hit monster draws every so often. just because you aren't there yet doesn't mean you shouldn't captialize on the great opportunity to potentially double up. use position to your advantage. small raise on flop... if you get there on turn, you have two chances to milk him (this is still assuming he sucks) and if you have to wait til river you can probably put in a value bet still. if it seems like he hates his hand (physical reads any of you who livei n the non internet world) you can maybe push in on a missed draw if he checks to you twice and still take it down.

[RikaKazak]

obvious raise

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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NL ring game. The player in front of you appears to play... well, a bit weird.

You call his early position raise with Jh-Th, with huge implied odds (investing less than 2% of his stack, which you have covered).

The flop is Ac-Qh-8h, giving you a monster double-belly flush draw. He makes a piddy little bet (same size as the preflop raise).

Discuss.

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This is an easy raise-a call basically ensures that if you hit, you win a small pot at best. A raise does many things, all of them good:
a) Gets money in the pot when you're a favorite
b) Gets opponent to slow down on the turn if you brick
c) Conceals your hand if you hit
Also, while you shouldn't be dying to get it all in (your edge isn't huge) the fact that you can stand to play a big pot means you don't have to be afraid that you have no fold equity if your opponent gets saucy w/AK or some similar hand