The worst floor decision of ALL TIME! Aladdin Poker Room

[TomCollins]

I got to Vegas Saturday, and decided to start at the $2/5 NL game at the Aladdin. My friend could play 1/2 and be happy.

First, a couple at the table is sharing chips whenever one wins a big pot. Now, they were the worst players at the table and were constantly reloading, but the dealer said nothing to stop this.

But that just was the first clue that no one had a clue.

Cutting to the story, I am dealt AA in middle position. UTG (regular player) makes it 15. Called by idiot girlfriend in the couple. I make it 40 to go, and the player next to me is all in for 43. The original two callers call, and I ask the dealer if I am allowed to raise. Now I know in any well run casino, I am NOT allowed to raise. But, every room is different. And if someone can use the rule on me, I am surely going to take advantage. The dealer states that in fact, I AM allowed to raise, since it was raised after me.

I make it $100 more to go, the first guy folds, and the girl starts thinking. Some players at the table wake up, and start telling the dealer that I am not allowed to raise. Dealer calls the floor, who also rules that I am not allowed to raise. I take my $100 back, and call the $3.

Here's where it gets interesting. The player who mucked to my $100 non-raise, now is furious. "I want my cards back or my money back!!!! You can't tell him he can raise and then tell him he can't after I folded!"

Ok, so Dealer makes a mistake, the house should perhaps compensate him in some way. His cards are in the muck, so theres no way those are coming back. Floorperson agrees that he should get his money back. So she takes the $40 he had in the pot AND GIVES IT BACK TO HIM!!!!

OUT OF MY POT!!! I make aces up, and would win a sizeable pot, but I am furious over this and berate the floorperson for "f'ing me when the dealer made a mistake and I did nothing wrong". Dealer begs for a tip saying I still won a big pot, and I cash out.

Play at the Mirage or the Bellagio, this was just rediculous.

[detroitplayer]

I can't believe she had the audacity to ask for a tip after an atrocity like that. Wow. That very well may be the worst floor decision I've heard of in awhile.

[Bulbarainey]

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I can't believe she had the audacity to ask for a tip after an atrocity like that. Wow. That very well may be the worst floor decision I've heard of in awhile.

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what a bitch, she deserves nothing

[juanez]

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Ok, so Dealer makes a mistake, the house should perhaps compensate him in some way. His cards are in the muck, so theres no way those are coming back. Floorperson agrees that he should get his money back. So she takes the $40 he had in the pot AND GIVES IT BACK TO HIM!!!!

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How else should the house "compensate" the player for the dealer error?

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Dealer begs for a tip saying I still won a big pot

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I've never seen a dealer "beg" for a toke (tip) especially after a floor call for his/her own mistake, and I'm a dealer, but I guess it happens.

[lapoker17]

If you hadn't tried to angle and reraise when you knew it was against the rules, then none of this would've happened.

[peachy]

When did this dealer becomes a SHE?!?!?!?!?

[Shoe]

If you wouldn't have tried to angle-shoot, you would have that $40, possibly more.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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"I make it 40 to go, and the player next to me is all in for 43. The original two callers call, and I ask the dealer if I am allowed to raise. Now I know in any well run casino, I am NOT allowed to raise. But, every room is different. And if someone can use the rule on me, I am surely going to take advantage."

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You know you aren't allowed to raise, but you attempt to take a shot at getting some free "incorrect information" that can only work to your advantage from a weak dealer. I've never heard of a room or casino (well run or not) that would allow a raise by a player in your spot, whether it is limit or no limit. You have stated that you are aware of this. I agree with LAPoker in his post below - you took a shot.

Given the mess the floorman faced, the decision isn't be any means the worse I've seen. This is a case where the house should have kept the $40 in the pot, but compensated the player with something worth $40. You benefit by having dead money in the pot (since he surely would have called $3 more).

All that said, I'm amazed the number of dealers, floor, and even managers who don't understand the betting rules (regarding how much you can bet or raise) in both limit and no limit.

~ Rick

[Jonny1723]

Hello,

I'm new to Poker, and only play limit not NL.
So can I ask a dumb question please ?

Why can't you raise in this spot ?

I would think the same as the dealer, that because it was raised after you, you could in fact raise.

Obviously I'm incorrect, but I'd love to know the reason.

Thanks.

J.

[TheMetetron]

It needs to be at least a half-raise. Basically the other player would need to be all-in for $60 or more in this situation.