10/25 live game...deep stacked

ObnxNole · #1 12-04-2005, 06:29 PM

Hi all...I played in a 10/25 live game this weekend and thought I'd share some interesting hands.

Effective stack sizes are around 3-5k.

Hand #1

Villain is an older man...super nice guy and mowing the table over at this point. He has around 20k in front of him and has absolutely no fear of putting a bunch of chips in the pot with a strong hand or nothing at all.

Hero has 10K at the start of the hand is dealt 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button. Folded around to villain in late position who raises to $125. Cutoff calls as do I.

Flop:7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain checks as does the cutoff. Hero bets $300. Villain calls, cutoff folds.

Turn:Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain fires $600. Whatever the river is, I know villain is betting at least 1-2k based on his betting patterns from earlier hands.

Do I see a river. What's your line here?

Hand #2

UTG straddles for $50. Two limpers call as do I with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button.

Small blind(2K) makes it $300 straight. Rest of the table folds. There is about $200 of dead money in the pot plus the raisers $300 raise...which makes $500.

Do I have odds to call for a set?

AZK · #2 12-04-2005, 06:33 PM

Hand 1) I probably raise turn
Hand 2) Should be posted in ssnl.

mikech · #3 12-04-2005, 06:51 PM

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Hand 1) I probably raise turn

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i don't think that's a great idea against the villain described: "Villain ... has absolutely no fear of putting a bunch of chips in the pot with a strong hand or nothing at all." do it against a tight player who won't call without at least a 7, this guy sounds like he's not folding AQ.

call, river one of your 11 outs, get another 3k from him.

#4 12-05-2005, 10:50 AM

Hand 1..I like betting the flop, is it inconcievable we don't have the best hand right now? Plus..we have position. So if he calls its not too bad, we can play poker after that. Once he calls and leads on the turn, I put him exactly on Ace-Ace. Sounds weird, but you see these weird old crafty guys who play aces just like this. It makes sense, hes slow playing on the flop and leading the turn to see if you have a 7 and also charging you for the draw we now have. Call the turn anyway and see if you can river him. But if he slows down on the river after a brick..i'd just check behind because i doubt he is folding.
Hand 2, yes, call with the pair because implied odds are so huge in these type of pots where the straddle gets overbet, hes either on a steal and won't give it up or he does have a big hand and will not be giving up an already huge pot.

FoxwoodsFiend · #5 12-05-2005, 07:28 PM

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implied odds are so huge in these type of pots where the straddle gets overbet

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I find most of the time this is just junk taking it down preflop. People might gun out again on the flop, but normally they give up on the turn. I'm very unsure as to why you think that people don't give up after big raising the straddle.

lapoker17 · #6 12-04-2005, 06:36 PM

Hand 1, check behind on flop.

Hand 2, I would often put in a big raise w 77 OTB and limpers in a straddled pot. As played, you need to tell us if you're getting all of his money if a 7 flops. Also, could he be doing this w 55 or AJ? Lots of laggros would.

ObnxNole · #7 12-04-2005, 06:54 PM

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Hand 1, check behind on flop.

Hand 2, I would often put in a big raise w 77 OTB and limpers in a straddled pot. As played, you need to tell us if you're getting all of his money if a 7 flops. Also, could he be doing this w 55 or AJ? Lots of laggros would.

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Their is a chance that 77 is good here bc he will rasie big OOP with AQ AK type hands. If a 7 flops and he has an over pair I get it all.

BobboFitos · #8 12-04-2005, 07:08 PM

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Hand 1, check behind on flop.

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Why?

lapoker17 · #9 12-04-2005, 07:35 PM

When super laggros raise PF and then check a flop like that, i no like.

Is that the flop you guys were looking for w 45? You like our hand a lot right now? You want to play a biggish pot on that flop? I don't, and we're not taking it down here.

BobboFitos · #10 12-04-2005, 07:46 PM

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When super laggros raise PF and then check a flop like that, i no like.

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Neither do I, but...

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Is that the flop you guys were looking for w 45?

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I dont look for flops, I look for situations. Here, you have a pair on a paired low board where the pfr has checked OOP. The pot has ~15bbs in there, I want it. If Laggro raises 7x and checked it, good for him, he gets to win a flop bet. By checking, we're surrendering our rite to the pot, as well as giving cards where we have no idea what can hurt us.

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You like our hand a lot right now?

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I like our situation, sure. It's a profitable bet.

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You want to play a biggish pot on that flop? I don't, and we're not taking it down here.

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This is where we disagree, I guess. First, when you bet the flop, if called, you're building the pot. But it doesnt mean you're going to showdown. Second, I *do* think we're taking it down enough to warrant betting.