Was I out of line (calling the winner)?

Chimp · #1 03-17-2005, 11:31 PM

Hey all:

Touchy moment came up in our office game last night...Three people went all-in on Q 10 4 flop. P1 showed 10 10, P2 & P3 each had AQ. Turn was a blank, river Q.

Everyone at table reacted as if P2 & P3 had won. They were celebrating, P1 was moaning. I was not in the pot, but was dealing for the round. I opened my big mouth and said to P1, "dude you won." P2 & P3 were all pissed, as were most of the other players. They were saying if he was stupid enough to not see it, he shouldn't get it. Nobody had mucked, and I said cards speak. P1 ended up with the pot, but there were some hard feelings toward me.

I know that P1 should have gotten the pot, but in a home game, should players not involved in the pot just shut the F up? Does it make a difference that I was dealing that round?

Thanks for the advice...

jojobinks · #2 03-17-2005, 11:37 PM

cards speak. i'm with you. these are the sort of uncomfortable things that come up in new games. i feel for you; i'm that guy in my game.

gmunny · #3 03-17-2005, 11:43 PM

I agree..no muck..cards speak. You did right thing. Tell those babies to stop crying!
G$

StevieG · #4 03-17-2005, 11:47 PM

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I know that P1 should have gotten the pot, but in a home game, should players not involved in the pot just shut the F up? Does it make a difference that I was dealing that round?

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Do you play "cards speak"? If so, you were absolutely right to act as you did.

Chimp · #5 03-17-2005, 11:56 PM

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Do you play "cards speak"? If so, you were absolutely right to act as you did.

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And there's the problem. We hadn't set up any rules either way on the issue. I just went ahead and blurted it out. If the rule wasn't discussed ahead of time, I'm wondering what the average player's expectations are in the situation, and whether those expectations should be upset in the name of a rule nobody at the table (except me) had heard of.

In all, I think I'd do it again. It just seemed fair.

Thanks for the input.

rogue · #6 03-18-2005, 12:08 AM

People who whine about not winning the pot without the best hand are lame.

SamIAm · #7 03-18-2005, 01:15 AM

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And there's the problem. We hadn't set up any rules either way on the issue.

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Don't worry about it. If you don't set up a rule saying you AVOID common poker practice, then we'll assume normal rules apply. I don't start the evening by announcing that only your top 5 cards play, but you still can't win with 3-pair.

I think you did the right thing. I agree with Rogue. Whining while holding the inferior hand is poor.
-Sam

Iron Butt · #8 03-18-2005, 05:15 AM

There are three basic principles in play here I think. One is cards speak; two is it's the dealer's job, even if he's only dealing for that hand, to make sure things go right including that the pot goes to the right person; three, trying to take the pot without the best hand if you know better would be to put it kindly, "angle shooting", or a.k.a. cheating. The hand is the hand, the winner is the winner, there's no room for other interpretations. If you put money on a football game and told the other guy his team lost when it didn't, would that be cool?

LSW · #9 03-18-2005, 10:47 AM

I agree with all of the above. If not specified, cards speak and it is the dealer's obligation to review the hand. IMO, if a rule has not been specified ahead of time, then basic legal casino rules should be followed. I would not take any crap from someone who was upset that you noticed their mistake in thinking they had the best hand. Good luck.

drexah · #10 03-18-2005, 10:55 AM

If i were dealing, i would have immediatley realized both P2 and P3 were almost drawing dead, and even when the Q fell on the river i think i would immediatley just ship the chips to P1 before anyone really started acting all crazy. I'd rather do this then blurt out "guys..P1 won" after they got their hopes up for a few moments. If you were to just ship the chips to P1 they would take another look at the hands/board and just realize it, and they can't really question you or get mad at you cause you were dealing and just gave the player who won his chips. Although if p2 and p3 already started to take the pot i would definitely say something. I think even if the cards were flipped down, but not mixed in with the other cards i would say something, at least at my game. Sounds like the guys you play with are pretty much beginners, though.