Open Raise from MP (Poll)

[TStoneMBD]

my point is that it might be right for him to open JTo a big portion of the time, that i dont know. for him to never consider folding it is definitely wrong. if i just quoted what he said and said "this is wrong" then that might imply to some people that im saying he shouldnt be raising JTo from there as a standard. im not saying that.

[krishanleong]

I need to start raising t9s and K9s. Thanks Wynton for the suggestion of posting this. I'll post a CO and Button one in a few days after we get bored of these two polls.

Krishan

[TStoneMBD]

i think T9s is a great hand from MP and youre missing alot of equity by folding it. J9s should also be raised imo. it seems that Q9s would be ranked lower than J9s but im not sure why that would be true. a queen kicker or a pair of queens is stronger than a pair of jacks. i really dont think straight value matters much between a 1 gapper and a 2 gapper. high card strength is more important. however, it is true that more queens that outkick you will enter a raised pot then jacks that outkick you which is a good reason why J9s might be better than Q9s, but i still think the high card strength is stronger.

i think its reasonable that alot of players want to fold 55 preflop and i wouldnt encourage them to play it if they dont feel comfortable doing so. i think the value of 55 in this situation depends greatly on your ability to save bets postflop when against better hands. youre often in a reverse implied odds situation with these small pairs because against alot of players they checkfolds when they miss but when they flop a pair they check call and you are forced to invest another bet on the turn. a good player should easily be able to show profit with 55 in these situations however, especially in games where the players behind him arent likely to 3bet him liberally.

i really dont think you can show profit raising A8o from MP in most situations. i remember baronzeus posted a hand in which he raised A8o from MP and alot of people said it was a bad move including me. i think there are times when A8o from MP has alot of value and it does seem a little odd that A9o is an easy raise and A8o is an easy fold. when i pick up A9o from MP i often feel that it has alot of value and makes for a very profitable raise. if thats the case then how can A8o be an easy fold and an unprofitable raise? i think there are times when A8o will show profit and i need to figure out those times.


T9s- raise
98s- i usually raise this unless i have a good reason not to
A8o- fold
KTo- raise
K9o- fold
QJo- raise
A7s- raise
A6s- i raise this alot of the time depending
55- raise
44- i sometimes raise this but i would recommend most people fold it
K9s- raise
Q9s- raise
J9s- raise
JTo- fold

[Wes ManTooth]

With A8o at this point 9 ppl said raise and 10 fold, but with KTo 15 raise and 4 fold. Even more interesting A7s 16 raise 3 fold, but A7o 2 raise 17 fold.

oh and I would like to play against the 1 person that would fold 66.

[TStoneMBD]

whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

[krishanleong]

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whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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All very true. Nice post.

Krishan

[jason_t]

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whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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All very true. Nice post.

Krishan

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[einbert]

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whats interesting to me is yours and alot of ther players lack of appreciation of suitedness. also interesting is your apparent value of ace high in comparison to KTo. i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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Please don't ever stop posting.

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[Wes ManTooth]

no, I don’t always appreciate A2o more then KTo, there are other factors that apply. In addition I do not lack appreciation of suitedness, I was making a point of the voting discrepancy.

[waffle]

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i guess you value A2o more than KTo also? alot of ace high hands have significant reverse implied odds but most people dont seem to realize that. they just punch these hands into the pokerstove/twodimes applications and base their values strictly on hot and cold preflop equity.

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You have a point, I agree (anyone who would value a2o over kto in this position is insane). But hands like A7s, and to a lesser extent KTo, have a distinct advantage over hands like JTs and T8s in these 2 and 3 way pots that is 'realized' occasionally. I enjoy checking behind the river and having my ace high be good.