Pushing AA2X DS (X being a wheel card) pre-flop vs. maniacs

[Drizztdj]

Knowing most random hands are no more then a 60/40 favorite is it +EV to push a known maniac pre-flop with a premium hand?

Or is seeing a flop more advisable?

[lautzutao]

If you were a 51% favorite against a random hand it would theoretically be correct to "push" the edge against any kind of player.

Punish a bad player when you have the best of it...if I were heads up against a maniac hells yeah I'd raise AA2x, and go all-in if I could.

[Wintermute]

Hm. After reading this post I'm see your point about calling Felicia's theory Uncommon Sense.

[Drizztdj]

And I recognize "in the long run" it would be correct to trade pot size bets back and forth to get all-in.

But in a cash game generally you shouldn't be looking for coin flip situations. Is there an exception because this is a split game?

[lautzutao]

I don't understand how AA2x is coinflip against anything...

I'm new to Omaha and maybe I'm wrong, but when I have a premium holding in Texas hold'em against a maniac(especially if I can isolate him and get him heads up) I push back as hard as I can and make the maniac hang himself at every junction of the hand...preflop/flop/turn/river.

Of course, this isn't texas holdem and the edges preflop aren't as great so maybe I spoke incorrectly. Did I?

[Drizztdj]

I think I'm a still a little jaded from losing to K689 and KT27 last night [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I gotta stop that. Any advice on remaining aggressive after a couple of beats Wintermute?

[Drizztdj]

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1247070
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ad as 2d 5s - ks 6d 7c 8c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 5s Ad 2d 259596 295991 204009 0 213239 5834 65 0.658
Ks 8c 7c 6d 101461 204009 295991 0 48968 158995 65 0.342

65/35 this is on the extreme end

[Wintermute]

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Any advice on remaining aggressive after a couple of beats Wintermute?

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The words "sew it up" come to mind.

[Drizztdj]

I keep a bucket of spackle next to my desk at all times. Cats tend to make big dents into walls when thrown.

[lautzutao]

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1247070
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ad as 2d 5s - ks 6d 7c 8c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 5s Ad 2d 259596 295991 204009 0 213239 5834 65 0.658
Ks 8c 7c 6d 101461 204009 295991 0 48968 158995 65 0.342

65/35 this is on the extreme end

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Some random hand comparisons against AA2x...

AA29 vs. Random Hand(worst AA2x hand I think...)

AA29-.6387
11333 High hands won
2269 Draws
22352 hands Lost
49718 Scooped Pots
15728 Low Hands won

AA29 with a suited A
AsA29- .6602
11639 High Hands won
2318 Draws
20774 Hands Lost
52406 Scooped pots
14310 Low Hands won

AA29 Double Suited
AA29ss-.6812
12011 High Hands Won
2232 Draws
19188 Losses
54954 Scoops
13097 Low Hands Won

It isn't as extreme as you think...