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12-30-2005, 04:41 PM
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Re: HU hand
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Theres no bigger issue, anyone who doesnt move allin here preflop is completely insane. This is not a minor point. Calling preflop from the SB is flat out terrible. The HH looks weird so maybe I got the action wrong, but if thats what happened, the rest of the hand is irrelvant because the preflop play is so bad. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a push PF almost always. However, even at this level I think it pays to vary your play HU. Call, raise, push, all with various hands at various times. 
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#2
12-30-2005, 04:54 PM
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Re: HU hand
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[ QUOTE ] Theres no bigger issue, anyone who doesnt move allin here preflop is completely insane. This is not a minor point. Calling preflop from the SB is flat out terrible. The HH looks weird so maybe I got the action wrong, but if thats what happened, the rest of the hand is irrelvant because the preflop play is so bad. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a push PF almost always. However, even at this level I think it pays to vary your play HU. Call, raise, push, all with various hands at various times. [/ QUOTE ] No it doesnt pay at all to call preflop with Q9o. Anyone who calls here with Q9o preflop is making a terrible play and doesnt understand sit and gos. I should just stop talking about this, because if this is how people are regularly playing, Its not really to my benefit to educate them.
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#3
12-30-2005, 06:20 PM
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Re: HU hand
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Theres no bigger issue, anyone who doesnt move allin here preflop is completely insane. This is not a minor point. Calling preflop from the SB is flat out terrible. The HH looks weird so maybe I got the action wrong, but if thats what happened, the rest of the hand is irrelvant because the preflop play is so bad. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a push PF almost always. However, even at this level I think it pays to vary your play HU. Call, raise, push, all with various hands at various times. [/ QUOTE ] No it doesnt pay at all to call preflop with Q9o. Anyone who calls here with Q9o preflop is making a terrible play and doesnt understand sit and gos. I should just stop talking about this, because if this is how people are regularly playing, Its not really to my benefit to educate them. [/ QUOTE ] You just don't get it, and I don't care to get into all that it would take to explain it to you. Pushing is fine, but to say it is optimal because it = $9 and that is the end of it is obstinate.
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#4
12-30-2005, 07:01 PM
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Re: HU hand
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Theres no bigger issue, anyone who doesnt move allin here preflop is completely insane. This is not a minor point. Calling preflop from the SB is flat out terrible. The HH looks weird so maybe I got the action wrong, but if thats what happened, the rest of the hand is irrelvant because the preflop play is so bad. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a push PF almost always. However, even at this level I think it pays to vary your play HU. Call, raise, push, all with various hands at various times. [/ QUOTE ] No it doesnt pay at all to call preflop with Q9o. Anyone who calls here with Q9o preflop is making a terrible play and doesnt understand sit and gos. I should just stop talking about this, because if this is how people are regularly playing, Its not really to my benefit to educate them. [/ QUOTE ] You just don't get it, and I don't care to get into all that it would take to explain it to you. Pushing is fine, but to say it is optimal because it = $9 and that is the end of it is obstinate. [/ QUOTE ] By the way how come anyone ever strongly disagrees with my math, their reasoning is "Its too complicated and you obviously dont get it so I won't bother explaining it to you". There is no way in hell limping has a higher expectation than raising, under basically any circumstance in this spot.
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#5
12-30-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: HU hand
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By the way how come anyone ever strongly disagrees with my math, their reasoning is "Its too complicated and you obviously dont get it so I won't bother explaining it to you". There is no way in hell limping has a higher expectation than raising, under basically any circumstance in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] Because you always quote #'s as the gospel. Like I said, I ain't gonna waste my time teaching a 20% ROI guy poker.
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#6
12-30-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: HU hand
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[ QUOTE ] By the way how come anyone ever strongly disagrees with my math, their reasoning is "Its too complicated and you obviously dont get it so I won't bother explaining it to you". There is no way in hell limping has a higher expectation than raising, under basically any circumstance in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] Because you always quote #'s as the gospel. Like I said, I ain't gonna waste my time teaching a 20% ROI guy poker. [/ QUOTE ] More like 19% ROI after this set..
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#7
12-30-2005, 07:50 PM
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Re: HU hand
curtains, please note my preface. "I think this is a push PF almost always." If you think 100% PF push I'll go with that.
My other comment was concerning HU play in general. I think varying play HU, although dependent on the level of the blinds, the cards you get and your opponent, is an important part of being an effective HU player. This is my opinion. If you disagree, I'm willing to listen with an open mind. Honestly.
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#8
12-30-2005, 08:18 PM
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Re: HU hand
I do vary my play, just not in a spot like this with smoething like Q9o. If you want to vary it with AJo thats fine, because you are at least inducing a push. In this spot you would have to fold if they make any reasonable raise
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