Should I give up online poker?

[jman220]

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no dont give it up.

If you give it up that means one less fish in the pond!

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[gabyyyyy]

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I was reading your post and nodding my head about alot of things you said. Does it seem like online poker is rigged sometimes? It does to me sometimes too. Of course that defies what all the experts and experienced posters here say and given their success who am I to argue?

I am not one of the young pups here who find making unkind remarks and insults to anyone's benefit and I feel badly when someone asks for sincere input from his comrades and just gets smart ass remarks.

Like you, I've been playing poker for many years(since the late 80s) then I started playing on the internet back around 8yrs ago when Casino Coco opened up (Planet Poker). Not only have I noticed that poker has changed over the years but internet poker has changed too. I think people watching final tables on TV has alot to do with it. There are so many dummies playing now which I know is supposed to be a good thing. In a live game it seems so much easier to get the chips than online. The reasons are easy to see... If you are not "technically" equipped with your PT, your PA, your PTA, you're flying blind most of the time and playing holdem might as well be a crap shoot when noone respects your raise and you find yourself sitting with AA against 5 other people that called. I've found that say on Party Poker it doesn't matter how much money is in the game, it means nothing to so many people. You might be moving up to play 10-20 and that's a big game. But it might be pennies to the other players. Sometimes I go watch the really high limit players. They play just as bad. Obviously they can afford it, good for them. Some 16 years ago, when I decided I really wanted to learn I ordered every Sklansky book I could from the Gamblers Book Store (and ok I admit it, I got Capeletti's book too but that's another story) and I still remember his "beware of AQ".... These days, any ace is in with any other card, it's raised, it's called, it's just not the same poker world any more. The odds are the odds are the odds, this I know. The problem for me with online holdem is the rate at which the odds are defied but it can be understood when realizing 1) the players see no buggars & 2) so many hands are being generated that we notice it more readily . Other disadvantages: 1) no audio-visual tells & 2) whether we are in fact playing the same person we see on screen as opposed to his wife, girlfriend, kid or cat for one or more hand which then messes with our thinking of his play.

Does this mean the game is not beatable? Of course not as observed from this forum. But for me it has meant changing my play and my games. Whereas I am very comfortable in a medium to high limit live holdem game, I struggle with any "limit" holdem game online so I play PL. I also play alot of omaha hi-lo. I've had to adjust my thinking too. I don't assume the raise means something specific, something I'd recognize in live play, it could mean something or nothing and I may not get a chance to get a good read on anyone so I must rely on the odds. My problems come into play when I play at something I am not comfortable with, so by trial and error I have found a comfort zone.

And maybe that's all it is with you too, finding the place in online poker where you fit in, where you feel comfortable playing whether it's a different limit, a different game, a different site.

Best wishes whatever you decide but don't let the 2 second bratty responses make you think you're a bad player if you've been a winning live game player.

And that folks is this slow & steady grinder woman's 2 cents!

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Thanks for the response.

[tdarko]

i actually disagree with you on some of this. i think that the online games play tougher than live games, let me ask you a question; what is tougher an online 5/10 game or a live 5/10 game? the live 5/10 game plays more like a 1/2-2/4 game.

online you are playing with players all over the world and against internet "pros" all the time, or at least in some of the games i play in. when i go to the local casino (in oklahoma or shreveport) you will see a lot worse players than online b/c there is less of a pool to choose from. online that bad player is in and out before you can blink and the next guy is grabbed from the virtual world and fills his seat, he may be a pro or he may be a 2p2'er or he may be just as bad. at a casino its the same bad players with a couple decent ones all night long.

i was playing in a 5-5 NL game last week and a chinese women came into the game and decided to play for the first time in her life b/c she had won on blackjack. after three hands the dealer suggested she play limit (didn't tell her what limit, but he was sick of having to babysit her).

basically my point is is that you are confused if you think you should basically just be able to beat online poker b/c you do well live. you need to be able to make the adjustments.

[solucky]

I play now since 24 month so far i had 7 downswings with 200BB and more, but if i look to month i had NO Month without a profit ( poorest was 30$ with 15 K +++ Hands ). Guess the best view is to look for Quarter /3 month results and in this way my results are pretty stable and i see no big swings. If your results are poor for 3 months stop it / go down in limits/ or learn

Wolfgang

[magoo]

Absoulutely, the OBJECTIVE correct answer:

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No offense, but if you think online poker is rigged, play online poker, and lose while playing online poker, you should not gamble.

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[gabyyyyy]

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I play now since 24 month so far i had 7 downswings with 200BB and more, but if i look to month i had NO Month without a profit ( poorest was 30$ with 15 K +++ Hands ). Guess the best view is to look for Quarter /3 month results and in this way my results are pretty stable and i see no big swings. If your results are poor for 3 months stop it / go down in limits/ or learn

Wolfgang

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Learn what? How to not get sucked out on?

[jman220]

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I play now since 24 month so far i had 7 downswings with 200BB and more, but if i look to month i had NO Month without a profit ( poorest was 30$ with 15 K +++ Hands ). Guess the best view is to look for Quarter /3 month results and in this way my results are pretty stable and i see no big swings. If your results are poor for 3 months stop it / go down in limits/ or learn

Wolfgang

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Learn what? How to not get sucked out on?

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If, after nearly 3 years on 2+2, you still blame your losses on "getting sucked out on" instead of the fact that you clearly suck at poker, then you will never get better, and yes, you should definitely quit poker.

[utmt40]

If you have to ask then the answer is yes.

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I play now since 24 month so far i had 7 downswings with 200BB and more, but if i look to month i had NO Month without a profit ( poorest was 30$ with 15 K +++ Hands ). Guess the best view is to look for Quarter /3 month results and in this way my results are pretty stable and i see no big swings. If your results are poor for 3 months stop it / go down in limits/ or learn

Wolfgang

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Learn what? How to not get sucked out on?

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If, after nearly 3 years on 2+2, you still blame your losses on "getting sucked out on" instead of the fact that you clearly suck at poker, then you will never get better, and yes, you should definitely quit poker.

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you know what... i changed my mind. forget everything i said about trying to get better. its been 3-4 years man. and your still blaming it on getting sucked out on and "online poker is rigged." i have only played 7 months so far starting from 50$ and now i have a 20k+ bankroll. i only started playing 1/2 and 2/4 NL recently. you should DEFINITELY quit online poker.

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Learn what? How to not get sucked out on?

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I hate to restate this more strongly, but I guess I will.

If you've been playing poker for as long as you say you have and still believe in the things, then you have an unhealthy attitude towards gambling and should stop.

If you really don't want to stop, sit down WITH SOMEONE ELSE and decide what stakes are acceptable for you to play for entertainment purposes. If you break these rules or find yourself getting upset about these smaller stakes, cash out and e-mail NetTeller to not allow you to deposit more funds.