fire the third barrel?

[djoyce003]

ok...just wanted to check my play here. I debated whether to check/call or just go ahead and bet. I thought if he had the flush I was calling a push, and if he didn't have the flush, but had a hand i was beating, then he might check behind on that river scare card. Because of this I elected to just push it in, and villain called with QTo and MHIG. Just wanted to check my line. Folding never entered my mind here, the pot was just too big and if I did check, I was calling his bet (he only had around 11 left...i'm not folding that into a pot this size.)

[jhall23]

NH. I think that being too timid on the river is probably one of the major leaks of many SSNL players. I noticed it myself that I was checking to many rivers where I ended up having the best hand. It has been my main focus for quite some time now and I think I have helped my bottom line out quite a bit by taking more time on the river and not always getting weak with semi-decent hands.

Of course there are always times to check/call the river but I think once I learned that move it kind of took over and I would do it on autopilot at times.

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NH. I think that being too timid on the river is probably one of the major leaks of many SSNL players. I noticed it myself that I was checking to many rivers where I ended up having the best hand. It has been my main focus for quite some time now and I think I have helped my bottom line out quite a bit by taking more time on the river and not always getting weak with semi-decent hands.

Of course there are always times to check/call the river but I think once I learned that move it kind of took over and I would do it on autopilot at times.

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Tremendous point!

Until I got Pokertracker, I hadn't realized how much my aggressiveness dropped off on the river. PT was worth the price just for plugging up that leak.

[scrapperdog]

I dont think weak/tight has become common on this fourm. In my month or so posting on this fourm my river agression has increased a lot. I am betting strong but not the nuts hands on the river way more often than I did before I started posting here.

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I dont think weak/tight has become common on this fourm. In my month or so posting on this fourm my river agression has increased a lot. I am betting strong but not the nuts hands on the river way more often than I did before I started posting here.

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I think where increased river aggression has helped me is not so much in the nuts and strong hands, but the "could go either way" hands.

Getting that 20% fold equity is what makes those hands profitable.

[scrapperdog]

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I dont think weak/tight has become common on this fourm. In my month or so posting on this fourm my river agression has increased a lot. I am betting strong but not the nuts hands on the river way more often than I did before I started posting here.

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I think where increased river aggression has helped me is not so much in the nuts and strong hands, but the "could go either way" hands.

Getting that 20% fold equity is what makes those hands profitable.

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I am not sure exactly what you are saying. If I make a river bet I want it to be called. But often only called. I am not trying to push better hands out on the river very often. I am too tight of a player to be trying to push a better hand out, if I make it to the river I either have a real hand or a very strong draw. An example would be when I flop top 2 pair with a board that has a flush draw. I lead out, flat called. Turn is a blank, I lead again, flat call. River brings that flush card. In the past would have checked this to see what villian does. Now I am leading again, knowing if I get flat called again I have the hand won 85% of the time, and if villian moves all-in I can fold. I consider this hand a strong hand but not the nuts obviously, and this is the kind of hand I am talking about.

Like I said in the past I would have checked and opened myself up to bluffs and missing a value bet if villian decided to check behind, I think the increased agression this fourm has brought me has helped my line.

[Pocket77s]

darn I was off by one card....