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AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
Home game, 6 players, I'm SB.
Blinds .25, .50 all players limp to dealer, dealer raises preflop to $12 I call, BB folds, next guy folds, MP calls, and folded to dealer. Pot $37.50 Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I go all in 88.25, folded to dealer, he calls, he has me covered by about 50.00. I show A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] He shows A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Turn, K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], river 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I lose, was this a bad play on my part, the $12 was a standard preflop raise for any pocket pair or big cards for the dealer, so I don't think my preflop call was bad, some of you may think it was however. I guess my question was is this just a bad beat, or bad play on my part. Thanks, my first post, love the forum. |
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
its hard for us to give homegame advice as the structure is so different.
Here you were playing fairly deepstacked at almost 200xBB. anyways, preflop call is not good with AQo. most of the time you won't make 2 pair+ on the flop. flop push is good if you believe he will call you with AK AJ AT. obviously he bat beat you on the turn. flop push is ok if read on him is accurate but preflop call is pretty bad. |
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
AQ has never been a good calling hand and especialy with that big of a raise. He has top pair top kicker, inside straight draw and a back door flushdraw on a shorthanded table after over raising preflop. He hits one of his seven outs witch is about 28% chance. Wouldn't call it a bad beat at all.
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
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Wouldn't call it a bad beat at all. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't a bad beat when you get your money in with the best hand and a dominated hand out draws you? |
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
Villain isn't dominated, he's got about 8 equivalent outs here.
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
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Villain isn't dominated, he's got about 8 equivalent outs here. [/ QUOTE ] Define dominated. |
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
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Villain isn't dominated, he's got about 8 equivalent outs here. [/ QUOTE ] he's reverse dominated to use the SSH term. |
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
He has other outs though.
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
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[ QUOTE ] Wouldn't call it a bad beat at all. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't a bad beat when you get your money in with the best hand and a dominated hand out draws you? [/ QUOTE ] If that is how you define bad beat then I have them all the time too. AK was 29.6% chance to win that hand from the flop til showdown. The hand was porly played as I see it. Never ever would I call that preflop raise with AQ. And then overplay it on the flop. The only reasonable hands he will make villian fold is KK and JJ. If villian has AA or QQ or AK he will call. And villian will only be behind on one of them. Overbetting that flop like that screams flushdraw to me, and if villian thought he was up agaist a draw he did right in calling. Even if he thought that hero sometimes will have two pair and sometimes flushdraw and combine them he would do a positive EV move by calling. |
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Re: AQo preflop call, bad beat or bad call, or both
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Wouldn't call it a bad beat at all. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't a bad beat when you get your money in with the best hand and a dominated hand out draws you? [/ QUOTE ] If that is how you define bad beat then I have them all the time too. AK was 29.6% chance to win that hand from the flop til showdown. The hand was porly played as I see it. Never ever would I call that preflop raise with AQ. And then overplay it on the flop. The only reasonable hands he will make villian fold is KK and JJ. If villian has AA or QQ or AK he will call. And villian will only be behind on one of them. Overbetting that flop like that screams flushdraw to me, and if villian thought he was up agaist a draw he did right in calling. Even if he thought that hero sometimes will have two pair and sometimes flushdraw and combine them he would do a positive EV move by calling. [/ QUOTE ] Bad beating another player does not nesceserily has to be a result of bad play, just a result of getting the money in with the worst hand. You can play correctly and still bad beat someone. |
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