Hm.

shadow29 · #1 07-29-2005, 02:18 PM

Oh man. CO sucks so hard in this hand. His stats are 50/8 with 0.00,0.25,3.00 af factors street by street. 71.43 WTSD. I trust these stats.

Saw him limp UTG with Q9 and then call flop and turn with QJT5 board, river check he bet, checkraise he call.

He also called down with MP with A on board against 3 opponents.

UTG is like the same opponent. Except he always folds on the river. His WTSD is 20. But other than that, he plays identically to CO.

This might be a little loose of a limp, but both SB and BB hadn't raised in two orbits and everyone really sucked. Hard.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

I just called the turn donkbet because a) I didn't want to get 3-bet when I had outs and b) I sorta wanted him to keep bluffing if he was doing so and c) I didn't want to get 3-bet if he had the best hand.

Don't be afraid of responding because of the limit. Limits don't really matter.

Bradyams · #2 07-29-2005, 02:23 PM

If the two limpers are as loose and bad as you say they are I think I'd raise preflop. Not sure if that's correct, but I'd do it FWIW.

After that I'd say it looks good. I'm tempted to raise the turn cause if we are behind we have a lot of outs against two pair, or a slowplayed set. Not sure if facing UTG with two cold would be a good or a bad thing.

shadow29 · #3 07-29-2005, 02:30 PM

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If the two limpers are as loose and bad as you say they are I think I'd raise preflop. Not sure if that's correct, but I'd do it FWIW.

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meh.

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I'm tempted to raise the turn cause if we are behind we have a lot of outs against two pair, or a slowplayed set.

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That doesn't make sense to me.

Bradyams · #4 07-29-2005, 02:35 PM

The hand just seems really confusing to me, so my thoughts are probably all screwed up though. Good job on getting me to think.

Do you think your pair of queens is ahead on the turn?

Also my second statement doesn't make sense to me either now. Thanks for pointing that out.

GrunchCan · #5 07-29-2005, 02:41 PM

I was thinking as I read this that..

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His stats are 50/8 with 0.00,0.25,3.00 af factors street by street

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...meant that this guy LOVES to get tricky and CR the end. Then I saw...

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River: (8.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks

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...and was thinking "CHECKRAISE! CHECKRAISE!"

I think you should have trusted your reads, and just checked the river for the same reasons why you didn't raise the turn.

Other than that, I think you played this hand beautifully. I would have entered this pot, too. Not loose at all.

deception5 · #6 07-29-2005, 02:50 PM

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...meant that this guy LOVES to get tricky and CR the end. Then I saw...

...and was thinking "CHECKRAISE! CHECKRAISE!"

I think you should have trusted your reads, and just checked the river for the same reasons why you didn't raise the turn.

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This is a great point.

MrWookie47 · #7 07-29-2005, 03:11 PM

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...meant that this guy LOVES to get tricky and CR the end. Then I saw...

...and was thinking "CHECKRAISE! CHECKRAISE!"

I think you should have trusted your reads, and just checked the river for the same reasons why you didn't raise the turn.

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This is a great point.

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Edit: But I would have played this exactly like you. It looks like I have some things to think about.

McGahee · #8 07-29-2005, 03:23 PM

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...meant that this guy LOVES to get tricky and CR the end. Then I saw...

...and was thinking "CHECKRAISE! CHECKRAISE!"

I think you should have trusted your reads, and just checked the river for the same reasons why you didn't raise the turn.

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This is a great point.

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I dunno, I don't care much that he likes to get tricky if:
A) There's a pretty good chance I have the best hand and I'm not folding.
B) I'm getting overlay from UTG when he's stuck in the middle on the river, where as he has to call 2 cold if hero raises the turn.

I'd play it the same.

shadow29 · #9 07-29-2005, 03:12 PM

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I was thinking as I read this that..

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His stats are 50/8 with 0.00,0.25,3.00 af factors street by street

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...meant that this guy LOVES to get tricky and CR the end.

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Ya!
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Then I saw...

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River: (8.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks

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...and was thinking "CHECKRAISE! CHECKRAISE!"

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Me too. But I was sorta thinking that he likes to c/r and try and win the pot. So I value bet, even though I "knew" he was going to c/r.

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I think you should have trusted your reads, and just checked the river for the same reasons why you didn't raise the turn.

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Yeah, but I was thinking that I had a value bet at the end. The river is a lot different than the turn in that I don't have to pay 3 bets and there is not another card coming (obvious points, but important nontheless).

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Other than that, I think you played this hand beautifully. I would have entered this pot, too. Not loose at all.

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It's not hard to play beautiful hands when you really rock at poker. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

GrunchCan · #10 07-29-2005, 03:14 PM

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It's not hard to play beautiful hands when you really rock at poker.

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Heh, I wouldn't know... [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]