river action....

[DcifrThs]

fairly tight game w/ 2 soft spots. SS1 in this hand open limps in CO. he is 41/18/1.

villian in this hand is BU and im in the sb w/ AJo...villian iso raises the fish. villian is a good thinking player.

i 3bet my AJo and fish calls and villian calls.

flop TT9 no flush draw, i bet fish folds BU calls.


turn is a 2 still no real draws. i bet BU calls.

river is another 2. what is the proper river action?

-Barron

[ALL1N]

If he's good like you say, a CR won't work, so check call makes sense.

[DcifrThs]

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If he's good like you say, a CR won't work, so check call makes sense.

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what is villian's hand range? why wont a c'r work? im not stating my opinion but asking clarifying questions.

-Barron

[ggbman]

In my opinion, this is a check call. If he wasnt ditching an ace before, he's certainly not now that he splits with A-K or A-Q. He might have a small PP here, hard to say given the action. I don't see any value in better, and i think you obviously want to show this down, so c/c seems best.

[ALL1N]

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what is villian's hand range? why wont a c'r work? im not stating my opinion but asking clarifying questions.

-Barron

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Range? Ax, 88-33, and KQ/KJ/QJ type stuff.

Why won't it work? Because a good player knows that betting Ax here only leads to trouble.

[ggbman]

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If he's good like you say, a CR won't work, so check call makes sense.

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what is villian's hand range? why wont a c'r work? im not stating my opinion but asking clarifying questions.

A guestimate of his hand range is A-T-AK, KQ, KQ, any pair 44 or bigger. This is a rough guestimate, you probably know better than me. AK and AQ are unlikely given his action postflop and preflop, because he should realize you realize he's isolating. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Anyway, since most of these hand won't bet the river, except the PP which always will, the c/r seems futile against most of the hands i think he is willing to bet IMO.

Gabe

-Barron

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[ike]

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what is villian's hand range? why wont a c'r work? im not stating my opinion but asking clarifying questions.

-Barron

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Range? Ax, 88-33, and KQ/KJ/QJ type stuff.

Why won't it work? Because a good player knows that betting Ax here only leads to trouble.

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I agree he's not betting Ax, but is he folding 33-88?

[ggbman]

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what is villian's hand range? why wont a c'r work? im not stating my opinion but asking clarifying questions.

-Barron

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No he's almost never folding a pair here, which is why i feel a c/r is futile against the hands he bets.

Range? Ax, 88-33, and KQ/KJ/QJ type stuff.

Why won't it work? Because a good player knows that betting Ax here only leads to trouble.

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I agree he's not betting Ax, but is he folding 33-88?

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[DcifrThs]

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If he's good like you say, a CR won't work, so check call makes sense.

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what is villian's hand range? why wont a c'r work? im not stating my opinion but asking clarifying questions.

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A guestimate of his hand range is A-T-AK, KQ, KQ, any pair 44 or bigger. This is a rough guestimate, you probably know better than me . AK and AQ are unlikely given his action postflop and preflop, because he should realize you realize he's isolating. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Anyway, since most of these hand won't bet the river, except the PP which always will, the c/r seems futile against most of the hands i think he is willing to bet IMO.

Gabe

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funny you should say that Gabe. I was the villian.

ike was the sb.

he had AJo and check called my river bet.

i had 44 and MHWG. i posted this b/c its tough from ike's perspective to have a correct river action...in the end it looks like c'c is best.

-Barron

[ggbman]

Yay i'm getting better at these! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I like the way both of you played the hand.