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11-01-2005, 02:41 AM
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15/30 AKo vs jason_t
same good 15/30 game that jason posted about.
EMP lady is probably a bit too loose both pre and post flop with decent aggression BB is loose and very passive preflop: EMP lady limps, jason raises on the button, i 3-bet A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the SB, BB calls, EMP calls, jason caps, we all call (4 for 16SB) flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] checked to jason who bets, what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand? 
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#2
11-01-2005, 03:24 AM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
I'm leaning towards a peel on the flop, and folding UI on the turn. Jason isn't gonna be capping with anything that we are ahead of right now
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#3
11-01-2005, 04:58 AM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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I'm leaning towards a peel on the flop, and folding UI on the turn. Jason isn't gonna be capping with anything that we are ahead of right now [/ QUOTE ] what range of hands do you put jason on that merits a flop peel + turn fold?
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#4
11-01-2005, 11:50 AM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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[ QUOTE ] I'm leaning towards a peel on the flop, and folding UI on the turn. Jason isn't gonna be capping with anything that we are ahead of right now [/ QUOTE ]what range of hands do you put jason on that merits a flop peel + turn fold? [/ QUOTE ] I haven't played with Jason, but I'll take a guess at QQ-AA and AKs. I like the peel for the backdoor straight chances (22.5:1 I think), with top pair chances being a maybe or a maybe split.
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#5
11-01-2005, 12:20 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm leaning towards a peel on the flop, and folding UI on the turn. Jason isn't gonna be capping with anything that we are ahead of right now [/ QUOTE ]what range of hands do you put jason on that merits a flop peel + turn fold? [/ QUOTE ] I haven't played with Jason, but I'll take a guess at QQ-AA and AKs. I like the peel for the backdoor straight chances (22.5:1 I think), with top pair chances being a maybe or a maybe split. [/ QUOTE ] i think you need to add JJ into that range of hands. against AA-JJ i have a weighted 4.5 outs not including my backdoor straight outs. i'm not sure how to do the calcs if we add AKs into the mix, but it obviously adds value to my hand. even if jason's range is only AA-QQ, i'll have 3.75 outs which makes the turn a peel when you include implied odds, backdoor straight outs and the times he has AKs. in short, folding the turn would be bad.
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#6
11-01-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
If you think that my range is AA--JJ, AKs then you have 22% equity against me after the flop. I'm too lazy to type up the calculation but I can if people are dying for it.
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#7
11-01-2005, 03:23 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
wow, i cap with way less. against people who can make folds, sometimes as low as 88. how out of line am i?
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#8
11-01-2005, 01:44 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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[ QUOTE ] I'm leaning towards a peel on the flop, and folding UI on the turn. Jason isn't gonna be capping with anything that we are ahead of right now [/ QUOTE ] what range of hands do you put jason on that merits a flop peel + turn fold? [/ QUOTE ] I can't see jason capping with JJ, which basically puts it at QQ-AA and AKs. One hand we are drawing to runner runner, one hand is a chop(though he may be on a freeroll), and the others we have outs against. I just don't see jason screwing around in a big multiway pot, so capping with AQs or JJ see a bit out of character IMO
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#9
11-01-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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I just don't see jason screwing around in a big multiway pot, so capping with AQs or JJ see a bit out of character IMO [/ QUOTE ] Him being on the button makes this more plausible, though. In any case, we know that the old lady is overcalling a bet on the river with any piece of the board. After the turn check I'm more likely putting Jason on AK or some mid pp. Since we know we aren't getting old lady to fold a better hand, and we think jason is chopping with us or beating us, the question becomes can we get jason to fold a hand like 88 to a river checkraise, when we know we can get the old lady to fold. Betting doesn't seem right though, to me anyways, because better hands aren't going away with a pot this large and worse hands (like AQs) might put you to the test with a river raise. Plus like I said earlier, old lady is calling with any part of the board in a pot this large.
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#10
11-01-2005, 02:37 PM
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Re: 15/30 AKo vs jason_t
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I just don't see jason screwing around in a big multiway pot, so capping with AQs or JJ see a bit out of character IMO [/ QUOTE ] Note: I have not played with Jason Regardless, I think you should include hands like JJ and AQs in his range, because of that factor exactly - it's out of character for his image (at least on here). I'd think a cap with those hands is possible for a few reasons: - The pot is multiway, and given the other players in the hand he probably will have equity to cap with a wider range. - He knows bakku will be wary of a cap, given his image. - He'll have position on bakku. So far Jason has played this just like I'd play AK or AQ, so I like the check-raise idea on the river, except for the fact that there are others still in the hand. It's hard to put EMP lady on anything besides maybe a couple of whiffed overs, or a mid PP. I think the only chance of winning the pot is to bet the river. Give her the chance to fold her mid PP incorrectly, because checking and having it check through would really suck.
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