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12-19-2003, 03:15 AM
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\"If you don\'t like it, leave\"
I'm sorry, but when I hear this comment it just makes my blood boil. I'm sick and tired of hearing "conservatives" (or whatever the term imbeciles use for themselves for these days) tell "liberals" (the term they use for anyone who doesn't fall lockstep behind the leadership of our Bozo in Chief) to "leave the country" if they don't like it."
This is an absurdity that is almost uniquely American. I have been to Europe many times, and I don't recall ever hearing a Frenchman tell another Frenchman to leave France if he doesn't like a particular policy of the French government. I seriously doubt a Japanese person would ever be told to leave Japan if they didn't like the policies of the Japanese government. The funny thing is these chumps think of themselves as "real Americans", a term they use to separate themselves from the "foreigners", "college professors" or "welfare mothers", people who either "don't live in the real world" or are "a waste of my tax dollars". I have yet to find out what a "real American is", but I assume these folks think it is directly proportional to how many "Don't mess with the US" bumper stickers they put on their cars. Normal people and "conservatives" alike need to realize that open dicourse is essential to democracy. If someone is criticizing the government and its policies, chances are that they would like to somehow IMPROVE what the nation is doing, not because they want to see its demise or destruction. 
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12-19-2003, 07:32 AM
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Re: \"If you don\'t like it, leave\"
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"Normal people and "conservatives" alike need to realize that open dicourse is essential to democracy." [/ QUOTE ] This statement .... nah forget it. I for one would prefer it if you made stuff like this rhyme at least. Maybe a limmerick would work: I was confronted by a right winger And I decided to linger The right winger did harass Then called me an ass It felt like a painful stinger Happy holidays [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img].
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#6
12-19-2003, 04:03 PM
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Hmm I think I got it....
A real American is a musician named Keith. Here goes:
For the 2000 (2000) Black elvis (black elvis) We get raw with this (hand me my guitar) Tour bus packed (tour bus packed) Black elvis, recordin in the 48-track studio Madison square garden soundcheck, to speak direct Fans in the upper level, backstage passes Wearin diamonds around my glasses, leather coat Thirty thousand from wilson, countin the mill’s I’m talkin to andre harrell with a chaffeur drivin me around In the green rolls royce, parked parallel, on fifth avenue Steppin in bloomingdale’s, waitin for celine dion to get her nails done Tour dates start tommorrow, mci send the cash through wells fargo Black elvis, 28 g’s a night Tour bus with the motley crue, who gon’ stop who? Rock star don’t need no tattoo Guitar out of the sharp, fender bass with the stratocaster With prodigy, rage against the machine, flyin over the atlantic ocean With the potion Chorus: kool keith Black elvis, rock star, walkin down broadway What y’all thinkin about? Black elvis, rock star, walkin down broadway Chillin in the project hallway (repeat 1.5x) [kool keith] Tour bus, painted neon green with black wheels We do big wheels, count big head franklin bills Movin up that’s when I’m black elvis at the civic center Promoter book venues that are too small, ignore the call Seventy thousand jam packed arenas With rock fans wearin backpacks Merchandise sell nice gold shirts with red lights Sponsored by dial soap and a heineken The biggest rock star gon’ rhyme again Roadie cases for eight months, samsonite suitcases Rappers comin home with no money on the red eye with dead eyes Stadium tickets, watch scalpers get wicked Pull up in my limo ejecting your demo (your demo) Stretch lamborghinis with four doors, with four floors Followin right behind yours, basic continental Get out your rental before I get mental (yeah baby) Kool Keith...really (mentally disturbed) American
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#8
12-19-2003, 08:53 AM
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Re: \"If you don\'t like it, leave\"
This is an absurdity that is almost uniquely American.
While I hate the "love it or leave" mentality, this statement is ludicrous. Hyper-nationalism exists everywhere. You mentioned France. There is a huge right-wing nationalist movement in France, but they don't want people to leave who disagree with policy, they want people to leave who aren't ethnically French. Nationalist movements are rampant in Europe, where the recent influx of immigrants have changed the social nature of the various countries. As for Japan, there may not exist in this world a culture more xenophobic and resistant to outsiders. Hate to break it to you, but there are a$$holes all over the world.
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#9
12-19-2003, 10:29 AM
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Re: \"If you don\'t like it, leave\"
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This is an absurdity that is almost uniquely American. While I hate the "love it or leave" mentality, this statement is ludicrous. Hyper-nationalism exists everywhere. You mentioned France. There is a huge right-wing nationalist movement in France, but they don't want people to leave who disagree with policy, they want people to leave who aren't ethnically French. Nationalist movements are rampant in Europe, where the recent influx of immigrants have changed the social nature of the various countries. As for Japan, there may not exist in this world a culture more xenophobic and resistant to outsiders. Hate to break it to you, but there are a$$holes all over the world. [/ QUOTE ] While I agree with you that xenophobia is rampant worldwide, all the examples you gave dealt with immigration. I am talking ideology. People who espouse the "if you don't like it, you can leave" mantra don't point it just at newly arrived ethnic minorities, they point at "liberals", "activists", and "lefties", whether there families have been in america for 1 year or 400 years.
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#10
12-19-2003, 12:13 PM
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Re: \"If you don\'t like it, leave\"
True, but that more reflects the the US is a nation based on a governmental concept as opposed to an ethnicity.
In other words, since the US is a nation of immigrants, our shared national identity is more one of a governmental concept, rather than an ethnic one. The people are accusing others of not being true to what they define as our core being. You also have to understand that there is a much wider spectrum of political debate in europe than here in the US. Even from my perspective, the Democrats and Republicans look more like different wings of the same political party than two distinct entities. Also, in WWII and WWI, dissent was treated much more harshly than now. In WWI, people who protested the war were deported, and in WWII, they were regularly jailed.
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