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#1
08-26-2005, 05:33 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
Keep betting the flop, get more of the CO's money.
Raise turn, call down if three-bet. As far as raising KQ in EP, I've been doing it a lot lately. Limping in with it just feels wrong. When I raise with it, it's much easier for me to assign a range of hands to whoever comes in with me. I end up playing it pretty much like AK postflop, except of course when an A hits. Comes down to reads at that point. 
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#2
08-26-2005, 10:14 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
Im bumping this because I'm really interested in why people are so quick to cap the flop and raise the turn. What kind of hands do we beat here that 3 bet preflop and on the flop with a board like this, and then lead on the turn. I'm not even sure that AK and AA lead this turn after being capped on that flop.
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#3
08-26-2005, 10:44 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
With AA or AK (especially AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) I'm going to fire on this turn 100% of the time after getting capped on the flop. When Hero raises, again, tho, I'm going to slow down, unless I have a set.
This is why I said that Hero should slow down only if 3-bet on the turn.
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#4
08-26-2005, 11:43 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
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This is why I said that Hero should slow down only if 3-bet on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] See, I think that slowing down on the turn to the 3 bet is way too late. By that time, we have most likely pushed out CO and we are almost always beat (anyone advocating a fold here?). I would rather pay 2 bets on the turn and the river for a showdown and keep CO around than pay two on the turn and one on the river when we are beat. Raising the turn may not even win us the most money when we are ahead.
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#5
08-26-2005, 11:58 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
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[ QUOTE ] This is why I said that Hero should slow down only if 3-bet on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] See, I think that slowing down on the turn to the 3 bet is way too late. By that time, we have most likely pushed out CO and we are almost always beat (anyone advocating a fold here?). I would rather pay 2 bets on the turn and the river for a showdown and keep CO around than pay two on the turn and one on the river when we are beat. Raising the turn may not even win us the most money when we are ahead. [/ QUOTE ] Would you slow down with a set of queens, here? The ONLY hands that beat you at this point are a set of kings or queens, and if you were holding a set of queens it's MORE LIKELY that Villan has a set of kings (6 possible hands) than that he has a set of kings or queens, here (2 possible hands). And, while I like having CO padding the pot, I'd rather take money from the player that's playing back at me than hope that CO keeps calling with his ace-jackoff.
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#6
08-26-2005, 12:00 PM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] This is why I said that Hero should slow down only if 3-bet on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] See, I think that slowing down on the turn to the 3 bet is way too late. By that time, we have most likely pushed out CO and we are almost always beat (anyone advocating a fold here?). I would rather pay 2 bets on the turn and the river for a showdown and keep CO around than pay two on the turn and one on the river when we are beat. Raising the turn may not even win us the most money when we are ahead. [/ QUOTE ] But I believe the point is that most often we are not beat. We're losing only to KK or QQ here. I agree with the raise and slowdown only to the 3-bet on the turn. You're right that we lose more money when this happens, but there are only 2 hands out there that beat us.
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#7
08-26-2005, 10:24 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
The only thing I like about the flop call is it keeps him aggressive with top pair, which makes him lead the turn so you can raise him here. So I'd raise the turn. A flop cap would have been nice tho, w/ CO just hanging around calling everything. Heads-up I'd like the flop call of the 3bet fine.
There are only two kings and two queens left in the deck, so he'd have to have the last two to have a set. If he's 3betting pocket 4's out of the small blind against a raiser and two callers, eff him anyway. I'd cap the turn if he 3bets, but if he leads the river I'm probably just calling without further improvement.
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#8
08-26-2005, 11:00 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
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I'd cap the turn if he 3bets... [/ QUOTE ] Having capped the flop, or not? If I've capped the flop an he's still 3-betting me on the turn, I'm just calling down. It's kind of like dealing with my kids: "I've told you FIVE TIMES that I have better than top pair!" "I DON'T CARE....I HATE YOU!!!!"
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#9
08-26-2005, 11:16 AM
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Re: Two pair vs PFR
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[ QUOTE ] I'd cap the turn if he 3bets... [/ QUOTE ] Having capped the flop, or not? If I've capped the flop an he's still 3-betting me on the turn, I'm just calling down. It's kind of like dealing with my kids: "I've told you FIVE TIMES that I have better than top pair!" "I DON'T CARE....I HATE YOU!!!!" [/ QUOTE ] LOL...yes, I meant after just calling the 3bet on the flop, which is what hero did. Totally agree that if we cap and he leads and 3bets the turn we should just call down at that point. I would have liked a cap on the flop myself, mainly because CO is still in the hand...I mentioned earlier that heads-up I might like a call just to keep him coming at me on the turn. Even then the flop cap might be better - get the money while you can.
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