A more complicated all-in pot odds situation from last night's Super.. - Page 2

SoBeDude · #11 02-23-2005, 07:29 PM

MP2 had A9s, MP3 had KK

Cool. lets look at the actual odds of the hand.

Plugging into twodimes, and just randomly picking suits.

ATo wins there only 15% of the time.

-Scott

SoBeDude · #12 02-23-2005, 07:32 PM

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If MP2 had A9 either your image is insanely aggresive or you better reevaluate your perception of the table as super tight.

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Really? I think a short stack will make that play with an A9o every time. I see it nearly every day.

-Scott

MLG · #13 02-23-2005, 07:35 PM

You have 7bbs in MP and UTG raises, and you are going to push with A9o. I think thats a bad push, you have very little FE and can't beat a single legitimate hand. Not saying people don't do it, just saying its a bad play.

SoBeDude · #14 02-23-2005, 07:40 PM

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You have 7bbs in MP and UTG raises, and you are going to push with A9o. I think thats a bad push, you have very little FE and can't beat a single legitimate hand. Not saying people don't do it, just saying its a bad play.

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I'm not saying its a good play, I'm just saying I see it a lot.

If I had like maybe only 5 BBs, I'm pushing with it for sure.

-Scott

ThrillFactor · #15 02-23-2005, 07:41 PM

Exception to the rule that I probably should have pointed out in my original post. This was Table 3 and MP2 had only been there for about 10 minutes. The rest of the table had been together for a while. I was prepared to call MP2s all-in if it came back to me unchallenged - for lack of read other than he's short and probably getting desperate. MP3 had not done anything out of the ordinary, so his involvement in the pot indicated real strength.

My bad.

ThrillFactor · #16 02-23-2005, 07:43 PM

But it was sooooted! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

MLG · #17 02-23-2005, 07:52 PM

Really? Even then, I think I'd rather push with first in with any two the next hand than push with A9s over an UTG raise.

DonButtons · #18 02-23-2005, 08:07 PM

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I like the play with AT initially, but ya gotta dump it. I'm not calling there.

-Scott

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Sums it up.

Just checking.

MP2 had A9s, MP3 had KK

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My dad in the sb had AK, I told him to fold, quite crazy hand.

ThrillFactor · #19 02-23-2005, 08:10 PM

Ucked_Fup thing is I would have won. Flop xJQ, turn K.

MP3 would have been @#@#@ed.

P.S. - The above is NOT the reason I posted the hand.

SoBeDude · #20 02-23-2005, 08:14 PM

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Really? Even then, I think I'd rather push with first in with any two the next hand than push with A9s over an UTG raise.

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Of COURSE I'd rather be first in with A9s. But the reality is we don't often get the chances we'd like, or catch the cards we want when we need them.

The fact of the matter is, its very very easy to go from 7 or 8 BBs to 3 without ever getting a chance to be first-in from a mid-late position with a reasonable ace, before you're blinded off to 3-4 BBs. Especially online.

So you sit patiently, fold the A9s to the raise. Then fold the next few crap hands...the 83o and the J2. Then you play your blinds, you look at more crap. And someone is pushing at you, and you fold some more. Wow. you're through the blinds and now YOU have position. And someone pushes at you so you fold your QTo. now on the CO and an EP push. Your A2o isn't looking all that great and it hits the muck too. Now you're 2 off the button and looking at more crap and you fold. wow. blinds have gone up. oops. now you're UTG. K4o doesn't look that good, so you fold. Now you're staring at total cheese in the blinds. Should I call that all-in that has me covered with my 23c? naw.

Hey! how did I get so short?

-Scott