Bubble re-steal vs. an unknown...

[ThrillFactor]

Knocked myself out about 15 from the money this past Sunday in the FullTilt $75K.

I had right at 10BB after posting the SB with JTo.

CO+1 (who has about a 15BB stack) makes a standard 3x steal raise.

Because of table breakups, I had been in this seat for less than an orbit. He doesn't know me, I don't know him.

I push and he went into the tank for so long that I had decided he was going to fold. He ended up calling with a hand that really surprised me and I'm done.

So the general question I have goes something like this:

Obviously if you've been playing with a very aggressive "stealer" for a while and he routinely goes for it every time the action is folded to him, that's a prime target to play back at.

Conversely, If you've watched an OP fold everything for the last 5 orbits, you probably really don't want to tangle with him in a re-steal situation.

But what about the average opponent? Or, as in this case, the unknown that you can only assume comes in somewhere about average until proven otherwise?

At this stage of the average $100+ buy-in online tourney, can you assume that the unknown "average" player is making steal raises and has the ability to laydown to someone that plays back? Or, are there still enough weak players left who, after raising even with a questionable hand, refuse to let go for a re-raise that will severely cripple their stack if they lose?

Those are the general questions, now for the specifics:

Situation as outlined above - you are in SB with 10BB after posting, CO+1 raises 3x with 12BB behind.

Given no read on CO+1, what is your minimum hand to resteal with? Please respond with Ax, pairs, suited connectors, and off-suit connectors.

And, if you are CO+1, in this normal steal situation, what is your minimum hand to call SB's push? Same as above, break it down please.

[bee bop a stinky]

That's great man, that's really great.

[LLKOOLK1]

I like that you put "ONLINE" in bold. To me this has a huge effect on wether or not I try to steal or resteal a hand before the flop. It seems that the ambiguity of playing online has lowered if not completly dropped all requierments to make any type of rational descion during a poker game.
The cutoff trys to make a steal and you correctly play back at him. In the casino he folds, online he reraise or calls your all in. Bcause there is no one there to give him that strange look, and shake their head when he flips up his K9 of clubs
The internet game is much harder to adjust to in my opinion. But to answer your question, The minimum requierment would probably be AQ?...maybe AQ off suit...but other than that, I would probably give the reraise player credit for a pair or a good ace.
I try to avoid these situations with playes who are new to a table, or I dont have a note on, because like I said earlier, I see allot more ugly hands turned over online, than I ever have live. Be careful

[Potowame]

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Situation as outlined above - you are in SB with 10BB after posting, CO+1 raises 3x with 12BB behind.

Given no read on CO+1, what is your minimum hand to resteal with? Please respond with Ax, pairs, suited connectors, and off-suit connectors.

And, if you are CO+1, in this normal steal situation, what is your minimum hand to call SB's push? Same as above, break it down please.



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Well resteals are a part of my game I need to work on. the main reason that I have slacked off on them is the lack of a player being able to lay down a hand lke K9o K7s QJ. Yes I have been called after pushing so many times with QJos its not even funny.

I tend to not resteal as much with AX but AJs would be my cut off 88 + , suited connectors 78s-J10s.

Calling a push possible resteal, AKs AKo , Possible AQs depends on my mood, 1010+ thats it.

[ThrillFactor]

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I tend to not resteal as much with AX but AJs would be my cut off 88 + , suited connectors 78s-J10s.

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So I'm assuming JTo doesn't quite cut it here for you? I knew it would probably be right at the borderline by popular opinion here.

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Calling a push possible resteal, AKs AKo , Possible AQs depends on my mood, 1010+ thats it.

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Given that stack sizes I outlined, yeah I think that's it. Give me a few more chips or the re-stealer a few less, and I think we probably need to add in AQo and 99. Maybe AJs and 88 if the stack difference is even more pronounced.

Anyone else?

[Roman]

I think you dont call with enough hands here getting more than 2:1. I call with A9s+ 22+ prolly.