KK hand 6max 1/2

Sinnister · #1 06-29-2005, 11:40 PM

I felt really uneasy about this am I supposed to call this down?

Villain Is LA/P 49/23 with PF AF 1.08

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, MP caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP raises, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Jgents · #2 06-30-2005, 12:02 AM

Uggh, besides stats, why else do you know about villain. Does he check raise his strong hands on the turn? on the flop? does he 3-bet or cap with strong draws, TP? etc.

If he has an ace, after capping preflop, I think he would have opted in popping you on the turn. Therefore, with no reads, I 3 bet the flop then lead the turn--if he raises on the turn, I c/c all the way. Another option is to call flop then chk-raise turn then lead river. Notice that all these plays do not give villain credit for having an ace.

jba · #3 06-30-2005, 12:16 AM

I would call down here.

Trix · #4 06-30-2005, 12:19 AM

Why did you bet the flop ?

baronzeus · #5 06-30-2005, 12:59 AM

It's entirely possible that he's overplaying QQ or JJ.

joker122 · #6 06-30-2005, 01:45 AM

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ya. check/call x 3.

Nate tha' Great · #7 06-30-2005, 01:50 AM

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That's really weird. I was literally kind of singing "why did you bet the flop" to the tune of Peter and the Wolf when I scrolled down and saw your post.

StellarWind · #8 06-30-2005, 01:55 AM

The board pair means you are almost impossible to catch when you are ahead. It was very wrong of you to bet the flop and allow Villain to force SB out of the hand with a raise. Whether you are ahead or drawing to 2 outs against Villain's ace, you desperately want SB to keep putting his money in the pot.

Villain's flop raise means one of two things:

1. You're screwed.

2. He's one of those fools who raises flops like this with (e.g.) JJ to see where he is at.

Folding is much too weak. 3-betting makes you the bigger fool, losing the maximum to an ace and winning the minimum when the lesser pocket pair folds.

I would call and bet a decent turn--no queen, club, or (maybe) jack. I think the stop-n-go gets you paid when you are ahead and I think you can fold if you get raised again.

That's my 1/2 advice. Calling down is another valid idea.

Jgents · #9 06-30-2005, 02:07 AM

I just noticed that SB was in the hand still. Disregard my OP. No need to raise on the flop. In this situation, as others have said, calling is nice all the way, but I'm a big proponent of the stopngo in this instance. Donkbet the turn and IF you get raised on the turn, then you can reevaluate whether to proceed or fold (read dependant).