AQs, 8 left, Stars 10+1, feeling stuck

[TomHimself]

AQs is too good for a stop n go.

i would just call and take a flop. if you miss you still are in decent chip position. push is also fine too

[gumpzilla]

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AQs is too good for a stop n go.

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Huh? You'd rather call and fold because your hand is too good?

[utmt40]

Yeah, but after he calls it leaves him with 80K left and 13BBs left if he has to fold on the flop. That is why the push here is the correct play.

[surfinillini]

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Yeah, but after he calls it leaves him with 80K left and 13BBs left if he has to fold on the flop. That is why the push here is the correct play.

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exactly, this is a push or fold situation.

stop n go is such a useless move, ESPECIALLY this deep and against a player that covers.

[TomHimself]

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AQs is too good for a stop n go.

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Huh? You'd rather call and fold because your hand is too good?

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no AQs is too good to call then push on any flop, stop n gos work better with small to mid pp's.
i think you have enough to call and take a flop
but i also think a push is fine

[gumpzilla]

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Yeah, but after he calls it leaves him with 80K left and 13BBs left if he has to fold on the flop. That is why the push here is the correct play.

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13 BBs leaves you far from crippled, and the prospect of stacking TP with a weaker kicker is pretty exciting to me. If you push now, I think most of the hands that call are ones that you'd wish hadn't.

[utmt40]

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Yeah, but after he calls it leaves him with 80K left and 13BBs left if he has to fold on the flop. That is why the push here is the correct play.

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13 BBs leaves you far from crippled, and the prospect of stacking TP with a weaker kicker is pretty exciting to me. If you push now, I think most of the hands that call are ones that you'd wish hadn't.

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I am not folding AQs at a final table with 13BBs and anyone that does is a nut.

[gumpzilla]

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no AQs is too good to call then push on any flop

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I'm trying to figure out what you can mean here. In what sense is it too good for that? Your stack is not deep enough, nor is AQ good enough, to make trying to milk value post flop with it when you whiff feasible. Checking and folding postflop against an opponent who is very frequently trying to take you off what he perceives as a steal here seems like it's giving up a ton.

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stop n gos work better with small to mid pp's.

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How do you figure? The only way I can imagine is that when you get called, you might be slightly more likely to be ahead still because the other guy is calling with overcards. But the stacks are still big enough so that he's not likely to call with random garbage, so I can't see how a low-mid pocket pair could figure to be any better than AQ here. With AQ you at least have outs even if you're behind.

[TomHimself]

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Yeah, but after he calls it leaves him with 80K left and 13BBs left if he has to fold on the flop. That is why the push here is the correct play.

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13 BBs leaves you far from crippled, and the prospect of stacking TP with a weaker kicker is pretty exciting to me. If you push now, I think most of the hands that call are ones that you'd wish hadn't.

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I am not folding AQs at a final table with 13BBs and anyone that does is a nut.

[/ QUOTE ]13bb's isnt that bad for a stars FT

[gumpzilla]

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I am not folding AQs at a final table with 13BBs and anyone that does is a nut.

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You start the hand with more than that. Having 13 BBs left and being postflop is a different beast, and I don't think yours is the best perspective here. That said, if you've read what I've said elsewhere in this thread, in this particular situation I'm almost never folding either. That still doesn't mean this is necessarily a push/fold decision preflop.