folded TPTK there...

xenthebrain · #1 11-11-2005, 10:46 AM

BB had TAG stats and did play a solid game (except for openlimping in this hand).
I haven't seen him do any tricky yet, but he could be a tricky guy, but he hasn't been caught yet in this session.

MP is a LP-P with 70/3/0.4 but I saw him at several times betting the flop on a draw (even gutshot) or with nothing at all. A typical donkbettor, but all-in-all really passive.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB raises, MP folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Weak fold or good laydown?

The more I think about it, the more I think I made a mistake by folding...

Vote4Pedro · #2 11-11-2005, 11:55 AM

Given your read I think its ok...I don't see a TAG calling two bets on the flop w/ overs(KQ,KJ,etc...) on that board. Turn C/Rs usually mean business, and I'm willing to give this one up

xenthebrain · #3 11-11-2005, 11:57 AM

My thoughts during the hand were that he was slowplaying 55 or a deuce.
I mean, he called two on the flop on a drawless board...
But which hand a TAG plays has deuce in it?

imported_The Vibesman · #4 11-11-2005, 12:02 PM

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BB had TAG stats and did play a solid game (except for openlimping in this hand).
I haven't seen him do any tricky yet,

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I don't know, I'd say the big blind open limping is very tricky indeed.

I can't really tell on this fold. If he's just calling out of the BB, that's maybe a small pocket pair, medium strength connectors, suited connectors (or any two suited if he's a bit more loose preflop) - what are we afraid of here? 55, K5s, or a two. AA, KK probably 3bet preflop.

I think I call this down.

imported_The Vibesman · #5 11-11-2005, 12:04 PM

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My thoughts during the hand were that he was slowplaying 55 or a deuce.
I mean, he called two on the flop on a drawless board...
But which hand a TAG plays has deuce in it?

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That was my thought process too. But yes, unless he's the type to play any two suited (10-2s, that kind of thing) or low connectors, what would he have? Would he call a dominated hand like A2s preflop against a small field?

I think he coldcalls on the flop with an overpair, but why wouldn't he threebet? Not a big overpair? Slowplay?

Grrr...

xenthebrain · #6 11-11-2005, 12:07 PM

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I don't know, I'd say the big blind open limping is very tricky indeed.

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I misread my own handpost there...

KaiShin · #7 11-11-2005, 12:17 PM

If BB is a solid TAG then he can't be calling your PFR with anything that has a 5 or a 2 in it. There aren't enough players in the pot to make 55 or 22 worthwhile. I'd have to call this one down.

#8 11-11-2005, 12:20 PM

I think its very close. FWIW I would probably play like villain with KQ-K10. When you say he is a TAG I am not certain that he will call with any hand that beat you except 22,55,A2s and maybe K5s. And you beat KQ-K10 which are more combinations so I would probably call down in hindsight.

sean c · #9 11-11-2005, 12:22 PM

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If BB is a solid TAG then he can't be calling your PFR with anything that has a 5 or a 2 in it. There aren't enough players in the pot to make 55 or 22 worthwhile. I'd have to call this one down.

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Assuming the limper calls the raise BB is getting 5.5:1 on his call and would be a fool to fold 55 or 22.

KaiShin · #10 11-11-2005, 12:24 PM

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If BB is a solid TAG then he can't be calling your PFR with anything that has a 5 or a 2 in it. There aren't enough players in the pot to make 55 or 22 worthwhile. I'd have to call this one down.

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Assuming the limper calls the raise BB is getting 5.5:1 on his call and would be a fool to fold 55 or 22.

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Its 4.5:1, and do you think you could make up 18 extra BBs with only 2 other players in the pot? It'd be close.

Edit: NM, 4.5:1 immediate, and 5.5:1 assuming MP1 calls. GG reading comprehension.

Also I missed that this was 6max. Must be early.

I'd still call down.