I check behind flop and get blasted - Page 3

orange · #21 11-09-2005, 08:52 AM

Hand 1: I call. Flop check is good IMO.

hand 2: I think I like calling more than raising. Then calling again on the river- yes there are cards that kill the action (spades/clubs/K,Q,J), but villan may already have a FH. I think I am too lame to fold this, so I lose my money here.

hope it worked out for you.

TheWorstPlayer · #22 11-09-2005, 08:59 AM

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I call both

What's up with everyone folding hand 2?

edit: seeing as I'm going against the crowd, I should probably add my reasoning

AK/AT seem just as likely as KQ/KJ. Both checked the flop becuase villian is an uber tricky pokah playa

Now the turn comes, TWP has shown incredible weakness by not continuation betting (which I do not think is necessarily a mistake) so he bets. IMO, because he bet full pot, it's even more likely that he now has AK/KT and is afraid of the mutliple draws. I would expect a smaller bet from a boat, to make sure all the draws call. Then when TWP raises, I expect an all-in from AK/KT always, and from KQ/KJ most of the time. There's a chance he flat-calls with a boat, because villian is an uber tricky pokah playa.

So now it's even more likely he has just trips. He could also have KK/QQ/JJ (maybe even T9), but given the 2.45 to 1 odds I think for about 1.5 seconds and call

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This was my thinking. Also, I'm a fish. I don't see why people think he would bet pot/push with a lock hand like a full house. This action looks like a vulnerable hand to me.

Ghazban · #23 11-09-2005, 10:19 AM

With the way you play, I don't see how you can even consider folding in either hand.

TheWorstPlayer · #24 11-09-2005, 10:33 AM

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With the way you play, I don't see how you can even consider folding in either hand.

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FWIW, I was on best behaviour last night after taking an absolute whalloping by LAGing it up the previous two days. Don't ask how much.

Ghazban · #25 11-09-2005, 10:36 AM

Even with that, the first one is a no-brainer. The second one would only be a fold if villain were deeper. You see something with a ten in it and no ace a ton of the time.

Isura · #26 11-09-2005, 10:37 AM

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I call both

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4_2_it · #27 11-09-2005, 10:41 AM

Hand 1 - I call without hesitation.

Hand 2 - I call but with some reservation. I wouldn't be surprised to see AK or KT here.

TheWorstPlayer · #28 11-09-2005, 01:05 PM

Hand 1: Instacall and he's drawing dead with T7 for OESD.
Hadn 2: Delayed call and he has AK and gets no help.

Ghazban · #29 11-09-2005, 01:08 PM

Honestly, why even post hand 1?

rikz · #30 11-09-2005, 01:21 PM

Hand 1 call and expect to lose sometimes to a Q9 or Q8 or 99, but I think villain has trip Qs without the boat often enough to make a call correct.

Hand 2 fold. A straight on this paired board just doesn't seem good enough for all your chips. The J seemed to help him, or he slow played the flop with a monter. So, QQ, JJ and AK are the likely hands. I don't think a good player would call your preflop raise with KJ or KQ out of position, but I suppose they are possible too, especially since this is 6-max and guys seem more willing to play hands like that oop from an LP preflop raiser. You only beat AK, and that hand has a couple of outs on the river. The other likely hands are killing you.

I think folding is better.