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Old 10-25-2005, 08:04 PM
Derek123 Derek123 is offline
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

It just seems like you are investing a lot to try and fold two players in a pot that isnt all that big. Does this really work that often?
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:19 PM
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Thought Button would raise the flop if he had a read hand to protect it, so thought I had a good chance of getting him to fold. I´m representing 87, 65 or such here.

The pfr will almost allways fold after checking here when it comes for two cold.

I´d think it would be weird for BB to check-call a good king on the flop and he may even fold one here for two cold if he did. If he has 87, then it sucks, but thats life.

results: Button called me down with KJ, wtf ? really thought he would raise that on the flop, guess not.
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:24 PM
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

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It just seems like you are investing a lot to try and fold two players in a pot that isnt all that big. Does this really work that often?

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The irony is, these plays only work when the pot is small.
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

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It just seems like you are investing a lot to try and fold two players in a pot that isnt all that big. Does this really work that often?

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The irony is, these plays only work when the pot is small.

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If you hardly ever employ this move at 3/6, are you making a mistake?
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Old 10-26-2005, 08:14 AM
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

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If you hardly ever employ this move at 3/6, are you making a mistake?

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Yes you are making a mistake because instead of hardly ever doing this at 3/6, you should ABSOLUTELY NEVER do it at 3/6.

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Old 10-26-2005, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

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If you hardly ever employ this move at 3/6, are you making a mistake?

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Yes you are making a mistake because instead of hardly ever doing this at 3/6, you should ABSOLUTELY NEVER do it at 3/6.

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Old 10-26-2005, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

That's a lot of work with a pretty bad hand to win a pretty small pot. I'm just too lazy to put moves like this to battle over a few bets with air. I'm perfectly happy with folding preflop or the turn.
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Old 10-26-2005, 10:57 AM
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I fold preflop, on the flop, and on the turn.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: QT, turn bluffraise, retarded ?

Given his stats I think button has something he is taking to showdown too often for this to be profitable. You also don't know for sure if the preflop raiser is letting go of his pp or whatever. If your image is super tight at this point then MAYBE, but else I think there are too many if's compared to your investment.

Just a thought: Perhaps this this move has a better success rate at the lower limits than at the higher limits, despite the calling station tendencies at the lwoer limits. To observant high limit players this can look like a steal due to the preflop raiser's check resulting in them calling down with less of a hand while at the lower limits this looks like a monster because they themselves don't have a good enough understanding of the game to even think of this move.

Will you always call in the sb with this hand given this line up?
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