Would I be better off just not reraising an AA hand preflop?

[Daliman]

Well, in my first real action playing PL Omaha, I took baby steps and jumped into the 10-20 PL on Empire. I did ok, made decent $$$, but I lost about 7k on hands where I had AA preflop and either raised some limpers preflop and flopped decent, or limp/reraised for a good amount, making a call be 15% of anyone stack(which mattered little..., 2-3 callers each time). Anyways, I just look back at all the hands and if I just limp them all, i don't improve a ton on the flop, and lose less then 500 total likely,(one was AAQQ no suits vs AAK2 suit and 88JQ suit allin freflop for a 7k pot, i don't mind getting in with that one, as my limp/reraise was to 670). Does anyone just NOT reraise AA preflop ever, unless they can get allin or close preflop?

My apologies if this is a constant question, i'm searching the archives now.

Also, the hand below, nothing to be done, right?

PL Omaha - Wednesday, September 28, 02:32:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 54984 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Danyonsgrmpa ( $4492.50 )
Seat 2: bocman537 ( $2839 )
Seat 5: Murrphdirt86 ( $2745.26 )
Seat 7: NaughtyNikki ( $5091 )
Seat 8: D3NN15 ( $1000 )
Seat 9: TheKingMidas ( $2307 )
Seat 10: Halfgay ( $2000 )
Seat 4: SLAM_DNK ( $4435 )
Seat 3: crusader3 ( $1040 )
Seat 6: jj2000 ( $1000 )
TheKingMidas posts small blind [$10].
Halfgay posts big blind [$20].
jj2000 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Danyonsgrmpa [ Ah Qd Ac Qh ]
>You have options at Table 55299 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 54708 (No DP) Table!.
Danyonsgrmpa calls [$20].
bocman537 folds.
crusader3 folds.
SLAM_DNK calls [$20].
Murrphdirt86 raises [$130].
jj2000 calls [$110].
NaughtyNikki folds.
D3NN15 folds.
>You have options at Table 54708 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 55299 (No DP) Table!.
TheKingMidas calls [$120].
Halfgay folds.
Danyonsgrmpa raises [$670].
SLAM_DNK folds.
Murrphdirt86 raises [$2240].
jj2000 folds.
>You have options at Table 55299 (No DP) Table!.
TheKingMidas is all-In [$2177]
Danyonsgrmpa: mine are with queens
Danyonsgrmpa raises [$3360].
Murrphdirt86 is all-In [$375.26]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 3h, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Danyonsgrmpa shows [ Ah, Qd, Ac, Qh ] two pairs, aces and threes.
Murrphdirt86 shows [ Ad, As, Kd, 2h ] a straight, ace to five.
TheKingMidas doesn't show [ 8s, 8d, Jc, Qs ] two pairs, eights and threes.
Danyonsgrmpa wins $1304.74 from side pot #2 with two pairs, aces and threes.
Murrphdirt86 wins $876.52 from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
Murrphdirt86 wins $7088 from the main pot with a

[ipp147]

The hand you posted, nope I play it the same.

In general with AAxx particulaly where the xx is rags you don't want to be bloating the pot unless you can get 50%+ of your stacks preflop, especially out of position.

I had an AAxx thread the other day where someone that plays this high said they would dump AA72 for instance in EP.

[LA_Price]

Reraising with AA often depends on a few factors. I usually use the following criteria.

1. Who made the raise and how does he play? If he is a weak opponent that will not ever bluff or semi bluff and you have position you will generally know where you're at and you're losing value by not raising.

2. What are the stack sizes? The worst I find is a a medium sized stack say 50 big blinds to 100. This is the situation where you may bet the flop and get raised but you have to call because your original bet was a mistake but now folding would also be due to the additional money in the pot. With large stacks you should be reraising with more hands anyway because you can just outplay people with position and a big stack in this game. A short stack is the easiest as you just put it in.

3. What is your position? Against most players who semi bluff and reraise with better hands with the proper frequency it is probably best to call out of position. This isn't a good spot to play a big pot but your hand is the favorite but may be a slight playing loser in that you won't really know where you're at on the flop and good players will play correctly agaisnt you when you're out of position. If he's bad and predictable go ahead and reraise.

The bottom line is that you wan't to put your opponent in position to make a mistake. He's generally not a 2:1 dog before the flop so reraising out of position with big money left makes him play correctly if he can accurately put you on AAxx and you always bet the pot on the flop and payoff when he out flops you. If he's bad and you can always read
his hand you can outplay him so you should reraise. hope this helps.

[Daliman]

Good advice, tyvm.

[flawless_victory]

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making a call be 15% of anyone stack(

[/ QUOTE ]OMG you are in trouble...
15% is not pricing anything out... limpraising with AA when you can only get in 15% is a donkey play.
BTW/ thx for the extremely gay "bad beat" post.

I don't play high limit or anything, but I almost never reraise with aces unless I have one opponent and I can 75% or more of his or my chip stack in before the flop. Once you put in a reraise, most eveyone will know what you have, completely ruining any deceptive value you might have had if you had just called and taken a flop. Through my experience most of the hands where money goes in on the flop without aces hitting a set sees the aces losing to a flopped two pair or something of that sort. I feel its saved/made me a lot of money to flat call or put in an initial raise only with aces before the flop. Just my two cents.

[Daliman]

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making a call be 15% of anyone stack(

[/ QUOTE ]OMG you are in trouble...
15% is not pricing anything out... limpraising with AA when you can only get in 15% is a donkey play.
BTW/ thx for the extremely gay "bad beat" post.

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Never said I was an expert. Matter of fact, I had ~30 minutes of PLO experience lifetime before 3 tabling 10-20 PL. This is why I asked, as I am used to NL holdem where people don't call so much with a drawing hand. Getting used to it real quick though.

YW, glad you enjoyed the bad bad post. Extremely gay is what i do.

[Yads]

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Matter of fact, I had ~30 minutes of PLO experience lifetime before 3 tabling 10-20 PL.

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So you only had half an hour of experience before you jumped into the biggest game and 3 tabled it? Is this a joke post?

[Daliman]

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Matter of fact, I had ~30 minutes of PLO experience lifetime before 3 tabling 10-20 PL.

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So you only had half an hour of experience before you jumped into the biggest game and 3 tabled it? Is this a joke post?

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Nope. I'm not very nice to my bankroll, and I overestimate my skill at times.

RECIPE FOR SUCCESS!

[beset7]

I wish you luck Daliman but you must understand that even many of us who seem to be fairly competent PLO players have been chewed up and spit out by the death-defying level of variance in the hyper-aggressive 10/20 PLO games on the net. I'd set a loss limit and adhere to it strictly so you don't destroy your BR. Its not that those games are overly tough all the time... With good game selection the lineups can be less then formidable. The problem is the increased levels of aggression in what is already a swingy game can lead even a winning player with a low steam level into hysterical tilt.