How bad is this flop raise?

SavageMiser · #1 08-13-2005, 07:14 PM

No read on MP2, aside from a name that screams "action player." So that can't be counted on. Guilty till proven innocent. Button, BB, UTG are standard loose passives.

I really don't like the cold call PF. Might as well try to muff all the streets.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Oops.

RatFink · #2 08-13-2005, 10:52 PM

Was it a value raise on your overcard + backdoor gutshot straight + backdoor flush + backdoor "two-pair draw"? Or were you hoping to fold everyone? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ArturiusX · #3 08-13-2005, 11:19 PM

Preflop is bad, I consider re-raising or folding.

Fold the flop. This should be standard for you.

#4 08-13-2005, 11:30 PM

Re-raise pre-flop, fold flop

SavageMiser · #5 08-13-2005, 11:54 PM

Okey doke, thanks.

If you're gonna screw something up, screw it up good.

J. Sawyer · #6 08-14-2005, 12:15 AM

icky icky preflop CC.. either fold or 3bet kinda read dependant.

close between calling and folding for me, def not raising

skidog222 · #7 08-14-2005, 03:17 AM

I think coldcalling is ok there. Reraise OK also, but I would coldcall I fold flop all day long

Nick C · #8 08-14-2005, 05:06 AM

Faced with a preflop raise (after one limper) from an action player, I prefer a preflop 3-bet. Against someone more sensible, I don't really have a problem with the cold-call. In any event, I like it better than folding, I think.

I guess the flop raise is an attempt to make up for the missed preflop 3-bet, but I'm thinking it might be a little late. If you'd gotten it heads-up versus the action player, though, that would've been a good result, I think.

Anyway, given the preflop action, I'd probably just peel on the flop, if that. (I might fold instead, fearing a raise or checkraise behind me.)

psyduck · #9 08-14-2005, 05:44 AM

No one peels on this flop?

mack848 · #10 08-14-2005, 05:55 AM

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While it would suck to peel and get raised on the flop, I can see merit in it here.

Two players have shown no strength yet, PFR will autobet and can have loads of hands without an Ace. Getting at least 11.5:1 + decent implied odds due to the number of passive opponents & a backdoor nut flush draw, I would peel if I expected no-one to rasie behind (they are passive after all).