Dubious Full House 5/10 NL

kagame · #1 07-22-2005, 04:49 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($875)
Button ($1284)
SB ($1228)
Hero ($979)
UTG ($1062)
UTG+1 ($871)
UTG+2 ($733.25)
MP1 ($975)
MP2 ($738.91)
MP3 ($815.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $10, CO calls $10, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($45) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($45) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG+2 calls $30, MP3 calls $30, CO folds.

Missed check raise on the flop and now I have no idea what my opponents have. EP limp, so could be anything and I am extremely confused why Im being called but not raised.

River: ($135) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $85, UTG+2 raises to $170, MP3 folds, Hero calls $85.

Now I dont see why I would be beaten here but I cant think of any hand Villain could have that would call my all in that im beating. If I raise whatsoever Im pot committed to an all in and I have 500 left, I didnt want to go broke to QJ or QT which makes the most sense to me here aside from a ridiculously slowly played AK/98, a set seems almost impossible.

How bad is this just call with the third nut?

Final Pot: $475

etizzle · #2 07-22-2005, 04:59 PM

remember, there are definitely people that open limp JJ TT AKo in EP at a full table.

Maybe 6 handed I could see that "A set is nearly impossible", but not here. You really need to pop this river, you're beating too many hands he will call with.

thabadguy · #3 07-22-2005, 05:01 PM

I doubt some1 shows you a bigger boat given flop and turn action. I would think a hand like QJ or QT would wanna get more money in on flop/turn. On the river, i think you would most def be called by a queen, i dont see any other 2 pair turned boat hands here. I also dont see many other hands, other than a bare queen calling here. But since villain would prolly raise pf wit AQ or KQ, i dont think the call is too bad.
I dont know if i like the flop CR tho, i would prefer leading with such a hand. Is there a particular reason you tried to CR that flop? I thnik if you lead that flop, youll be called with a Jack or better, a CR lets those type of hands get away too easy.

LuvDemNutz · #4 07-22-2005, 05:02 PM

What is your reasoning for not betting the flop?

thabadguy · #5 07-22-2005, 05:03 PM

there are definitely people that open limp JJ TT AKo in EP at a full table.
Is this common or an anomaly? These were the first 3 hands i discounted from villains range.

technologic · #6 07-22-2005, 05:04 PM

you're telling me he's checking the flop with top two, or smooth calling with a turned queens up, and minraising the river with a house?

lapoker17 · #7 07-22-2005, 05:04 PM

Have to bet that flop. A flop c/r lets people off too easy.

flawless_victory · #8 07-22-2005, 05:08 PM

[ QUOTE ]
there are definitely people that open limp JJ TT AKo in EP at a full table.
Is this common or an anomaly? These were the first 3 hands i discounted from villains range.

[/ QUOTE ]pretty common... at least 50/50 in internet 5/10.
dont worry, i think its pathetic.

chuddo · #9 07-22-2005, 05:25 PM

raise.

you have the 3rd nuts, and villains play isn't in line with the 1st or 2nd nuts. hit it a lick.

kagame · #10 07-22-2005, 05:27 PM

I dont usually check raise with two pair, and would have only check raised certain players on this board, and check called and then lead a safe turn for the pot.

I was planning on check raising just to mix it up, I don't check raise from the blinds enough and my opponents should know this and be taking advantage of it; not sure if this is the best flop for it of course.

The river raise to me is a bit more than min, I felt that Villain had a monster. I just didnt think he would play a set in this manner because of our previous play together, which I didnt explicitly say.

I still let any Q off the hook as well as the straights. I felt pretty nitty after the hand but the stack sizes on the river felt so weird.

I go broke alot with near nut hands (duh) [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]