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Re: Seen enough to slow down?
My thoughts:
Getting 3-bet from SB preflop is much different from getting 3-bet from late position. I tend to give much more credit to those raises with no read. So when he 3-bet me, I had AA-QQ/AK in my mind. Too small of a range? Possibly. When he 3-bet the flop, it was down to AA-QQ. Now if I were to cap, I would be betting the turn most of the time. If he were to check-raise me, I would be very certain he had AA, but it would still cost me 2 BB to call down (and I would, because there'e enough of a donk factor). On the other hand, by just calling the 3-bet, I encourage villain to keep betting no matter what he has, and now I also put myself in position to be more likely not losing at the showdown. Here's my attempt to quantify what I'm saying: When villain 3-bets me on the flop, I give him credit for 14 hands: AA (6), KK (1), QQ (6), JJ (1 - the outside chance he's much more aggressive than average). The pot is 22 SB when I'm facing the flop cap decision. If I just call down, I expect him to continue betting all of these hands (plus I'm in position to value bet if he checks to me, so I'll get 1 bet in every street). 7 times I win 22+4 = 26 SB. 1 time I chop and win 11 SB. 6 times I lose 5 SB. EV = 11.6 SB If I cap, how does it play out? If he donks the turn, I'm calling down because a 3-bet would be super scary. The estimates are about the same: 7 times I win 22+5 = 27 SB. 1 time I chop and win 11 SB. 6 times I lose 6 SB. EV = 11.7 SB If I get check-raised, the chances of him having a worse hand go down a bit. I'd dump the JJ and a third of the QQ hands. 4 times I win 22+9 = 31 SB 1 time I chop and win 11 SB 6 times I lose 8 SB EV = 7.9 SB What happened? I put myself in a position where I'm very likely losing, but compelled to pay it off. You don't want to drop a third (2) of the QQ hands? What if I just drop the JJ hands? 6 times I win 22+9 = 31 SB 1 time I chop and win 11 SB 6 times I lose 8 SB EV = 11.5 SB My EV *STILL* goes down below calling down in the first place. Dropping just one QQ hand makes the EV fall to 9.8 SB. |
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*Bump*
I think there are some ideas here worth pursuing a little further, but I first need to get some responses to my position.
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Re: Seen enough to slow down?
Haven't read the thread, but personally I would cap the flop. If he leads into me again on the turn, then I call down (assuming I don't spike a K).
-Jaran Edited to add I think I would fold an A or 5 turn, but call it on the river. |
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Re: Seen enough to slow down?
The Paradise/Reads whore is multitabling on Party? Fantastic.
I'd cap and call down from there. It'd suck if he C/R'd the turn w/ AA, but that won't happen very often because most people aren't that creative - ie - they either play AA really fast or really slow and don't make adjustments to the advantage of being OOP in this case. |
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