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#12
12-02-2005, 08:36 PM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
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[ QUOTE ] you could easily be dominated, or have only 3 outs [/ QUOTE ] I just wanted to be a nit and point out these are exactly the same. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry. I meant that villain could easily have a higher ace, in which case you need to hit your low pair, or that villain could easily have a PP, in which case you need to hit your ace. You don't know which one though, so that makes it even worse. 
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#13
12-02-2005, 08:51 PM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
hes never folding a better pair here, but i think you have lots of FE against AQ-AJ-AT-QJ-QT etc. definitely works often enough for it to be +EV.
as for the rest of the hand, i play the flop and turn the same. sometimes i donk the turn, sometimes i c/r the turn, usually i just call because they are smart enough to go to showdown with A high.
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#14
12-02-2005, 09:03 PM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
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hes never folding a better pair here, but i think you have lots of FE against AQ-AJ-AT-QJ-QT etc. definitely works often enough for it to be +EV. as for the rest of the hand, i play the flop and turn the same. sometimes i donk the turn, sometimes i c/r the turn, usually i just call because they are smart enough to go to showdown with A high. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get calling the flop. What are you doing when the 2 of nothing hits? As for the turn, how do you play it if you are villain and get check raised with your AT or QT?
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#15
12-02-2005, 09:52 PM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
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definitely openraise this preflop. not a fan of the river donk. if you want to see a showdown id rather checkraise the turn and checkfold the river. id rather just checkfold the river though. not any logical hands youre ahead of and i think alot of players will look you up with a strong ace. [/ QUOTE ]
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#16
12-02-2005, 10:24 PM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
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[ QUOTE ] definitely openraise this preflop. not a fan of the river donk. if you want to see a showdown id rather checkraise the turn and checkfold the river. id rather just checkfold the river though. not any logical hands youre ahead of and i think alot of players will look you up with a strong ace. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] no one folds to a turn checkraise with A high on that board. i hate that idea. the only time A high folds is when a scare card hits.
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#17
12-02-2005, 11:59 PM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
I don't see a wide range of hands he'll toss here that you beat. At best he'll seemingly toss a few ace highs like AT,AJ,AQ but I wouldnt be shocked to see him call there either unless you have reason to believe otherwise.
Any pair is a pretty easy call. If you've seen him fold with this line maybe I like it slightly more or if you know he'll toss those Ace Highs.
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#18
12-03-2005, 09:20 AM
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Re: 30/60 SH river bluff
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] definitely openraise this preflop. not a fan of the river donk. if you want to see a showdown id rather checkraise the turn and checkfold the river. id rather just checkfold the river though. not any logical hands youre ahead of and i think alot of players will look you up with a strong ace. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] no one folds to a turn checkraise with A high on that board. i hate that idea. the only time A high folds is when a scare card hits. [/ QUOTE ] Totally agree with this. To answer about the flop peel I do it because sometimes I'll have a pair, every now and then I'll have a monster, and sometimes he'll check behind on the turn. And I don't want to make it so easy for him to 3 bet my open raise and expect to just take it down, cuz I'm opening alot. Anyway he folded pretty quickly but that could just mean I had him beat anyway, who knows. This has been a good thread though. -DeathDonkey
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