From the pages of HPFAP

[bigsooner]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players) </font>
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (16.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

anyone bet the river???

[eh923]

I wouldn't bet the river in this case. I also wouldn't wuss out and just call w/ QQ pre-flop. Is this your typical play?

[bigsooner]

In the loose games section of HPFAP there is a detailed disctiption of this play, KK or QQ in the BB with a EP raise and several cold callers, it was not about wussing out there are manny reasons.

[Bob T.]

I would bet the river.

You have the potential to win multiple bets here, so you don't need to have a 50% chance of winning for the river bet to be correct.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.

[bigsooner]

ive never thought about it like that, my thinking was the more callers the better the cahnce the flush draw was out there but you statment makes sense thanks

[AviD]

What pages from HPFAP are you extracting this play from?

Yes, I would bet the river.

[PokerBob]

I think you may be giving many of your opponents too much credit. By raising you may be giving them odds to chase post flop, but are you sure they understand odds?

[bigsooner]

p 167 QQ in tbe BB

[bigsooner]

you are exactly right they dont understand these are the opp. you want to keep the pot small with that way when they chase it is a mistake

[eh923]

The loose section in HPFAP is not aimed at no fold 'em hold 'em like Party 2/4. (note - From a lot of other posts, majorkong's soon-to-be-released book appears to address these games better)

There are many reasons? What reasons are you referring to? The typical one I see on these posts is about manipulating pot odds, etc...which still is a bit shady against our low limit friends.

In a game where so many folks will call any A pre-flop, or sometimes any K, I'd rather give UTG the opportunity to cap it. This MIGHT help clean up some outs, and it also gives me some info early about how much he and the cold-callers like their hands.