Why I'll never be good - KK hand

[Isura]

What do you guys think? Did I raise too much preflop. How can I avoid getting outplayed in this situation, and still lose the minimum when behind? I'm off to look at like 50 HHs, man I suck.

***** Hand History for Game 2473875913 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14523713 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Wednesday, August 03, 22:28:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 22379 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: greatone2 ( $1220 )
Seat 2: POATS ( $770 )
Seat 3: testbatsmen1 ( $1040 )
Seat 4: sbmib ( $440 )
Seat 5: RALKFAN ( $530 )
Seat 6: madara ( $820 )
Seat 7: whyowhy ( $825 )
Seat 8: scottinnash ( $935 )
Seat 9: mashadi ( $235 )
Seat 10: i_rake_u ( $1185 )
Trny:14523713 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to testbatsmen1 [ Ks Kc ]
whyowhy calls [30].
>You have options at Table 22392 Table!.
scottinnash calls [30].
mashadi folds.
i_rake_u folds.
greatone2 raises [80].
POATS folds.
testbatsmen1 raises [300].
sbmib folds.
>You have options at Table 11530 Table!.
RALKFAN folds.
madara folds.
whyowhy folds.
scottinnash folds.
greatone2 calls [220].
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Th, 2c ]
>You have options at Table 22392 Table!.
greatone2 is all-In [920]
>You have options at Table 11530 Table!.
testbatsmen1 is all-In [740]

[Tru]

I think you need to weigh the odds that the big stack is on a bluff vs. the odds that he really does have an Ace. I think your raise preflop is fine, as long as you are willing to get away from this hand if an Ace flops and you face a strong bet. If you can't do this, (and you couldn't in this case), then you should just go all in preflop.

[pearljam]

push pre flop.

edit- oops I got you confused with thegreatone, I re raise too about 250 and then fold to the flop push.

[nWirb]

I'd raise 200 preflop and fold to a push on that flop.
Not saying I'm a good player though [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[gumpzilla]

I think I raise a little less, something more like 240, PF, but I think this isn't that big a deal.

I think you can probably pretty comfortably fold the flop unless you've been seeing some crazy action out of this guy. I don't think an average player is going to push JJ-QQ into you after the PF strength you've shown with ATx out there, and there aren't really many other realistic hands that you're beating.

[Matt R.]

Your raise size is fine -- it's a little under a pot-sized re-raise. I think I would raise anywhere from 250-300 in that situation. I would without a doubt fold to the flop push. Minus reads of course. Honestly, what could he have here that you beat?

[wiggs73]

Raising this much only creates a situation on the flop where you either take down the pot as-is or lose a large pot. You're committing yourself more than you need to. You seem to be thinking along the lines of "I'll raise a lot to push out weak aces." I think this is incorrect though; don't forget that you're a large favorite over every hand except AA. So there's no reason to raise to such a large amount that AA will be one of the few hands to call you.

Also, by raising less, you commit yourself to the hand to a lesser degree. So when an ace does hit, if you think your opponent has one, you can get away from the hand a lot easier.

As for how I'd play the hand, I'd probably re-raise pre-flop to 175 or 200. The raise would basically be to try to isolate the original raiser. KK is a hand I do want to see a flop with, but I'd prefer it to be against one opponent. So I'd try to raise an amount that would get out the limpers but keep in the original raiser. When the ace flops, I'd fold to a reasonable bet, raise a weak bet, and bet if checked to. Of course, a lot of this depends on the opponent so I can't say for sure what the correct move would be in any of those cases. I'm also obviously playing any non-ace flop strongly.

[psyduck]

everything is fine, but just fold that flop

[The Don]

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everything is fine, but just fold that flop

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[Unarmed]

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How can I avoid getting outplayed in this situation

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I think you should start by actually putting your opponent on a hand based on both his and your actions. Look at the PF action. He raises, you reraise huge, and he flat calls. What do you think he has? AK a massive % of the time, but frankly thats not the important part. The most important thing to analyze is what are YOU representing? For most players, your reraise (ignoring the fact it was a touch too large) is normally going to mean AK/AA/KK.

So, put yourself in his shoes. You have AK/AA/KK, he has whatever he has, the flop comes ace high, and he open pushes. Pretty stunned bluff if he doesn't have the ace, especially given you just called with KK [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]