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#1
10-14-2004, 01:38 AM
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You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
But shouldn't I wait until the turn to pop this? Or no? I feel like I cost myself some $$.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (6.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button calls. Turn: (6.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls. River: (8.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds. Final Pot: 9.70 BB 
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#4
10-14-2004, 09:05 AM
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Re: You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
Yes, but that's also because I almost always bet top pair into a preflop raiser. When he has an overpair he probably thinks he can beat top pair. In general I prefer betting out and 3-betting above check-raising. Betting out and 3-betting conceals your hand more than check-raising because that's such a strong move.
Guido
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#5
10-14-2004, 09:29 AM
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Re: You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
I think you are seriously missing value if you continually bet into preflop raisers. You are essentially giving away the effective positional advantage of being able to check the flop knowing the you'll be nearly always be able to put in a raise.
I feel that betting into the raiser should be made situationally.
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#6
10-14-2004, 10:37 AM
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Re: You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
I guess you aren't raised as often as I am. Most of the time I'm the preflop raiser and when I'm not I probably have top pair weak kicker in which case I prefer betting too. It doesn't happen very often that I've TPGK and I didn't raise preflop. I also said that I was talking in general, it's not that I never check-raise. I do it a lot but it's such a strong move that it's pretty easy to read. I think you are missing value when you continually check-raise. Just try it and you will be amazed about how often you get a chance to 3-bet.
Guido
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#7
10-14-2004, 11:22 AM
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Re: You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
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In general I prefer betting out and 3-betting above check-raising. Betting out and 3-betting conceals your hand more than check-raising because that's such a strong move. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, agree 100%. I bet a lot of flops, from bottom pair and up. Starting to check my good hands would make me easier to read. A lot of players cant believe you are betting out from BB with 75o when 77J hits and when you 3 bet they still think you are trying to protect your weak 2pair, hoping he is on overcards.
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#8
10-14-2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
What would you guys think about check/calling the flop, and then check-raising the turn? Not that I condone this, just want to know if you guys would think about doing this in this situation.
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#9
10-15-2004, 04:26 AM
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Re: You guys keep telling me to play faster . . .
I have not been playing poker for long and there's something I don't understand in the previous post. How can betting into a preflop raiser with an overpair be +EV? With overpair I assume you mean a pocket pair with a higher rank than any card on the board.
:.:: Mattias
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