AJs

[scdavis0]

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The only point I'm trying to make here is we are likely talking about small amounts of EV either way. Calling and raising are way, way better than folding. Raising may be a little bit better than folding. This whole -- CALLING IS OMG HORRIBLE, CALLING BLOWZ, is just not necessary.

20% is not like ridic LAG. I am at like 18% or something and I'd say I'm smart LAG. Maybe he just goes crazy and raises any two from the cut off or button. Maybe he plays straight forward UTG. I really doubt you have his hand range just flat out ridiculously dominated with AJ suited.

How you play the hand after the flop is going to be a lot more important.

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precisely because we fear a smart LAG is why the reraise is good. if villain was dumb LAG, reraising is actually not so good.

the reraise forces villain to play a narrower range of hands postflop then had you just called which allows us to pick up a substantial amount of unclaimed pots.

The reason I feel calling is bad ( and perhaps my hyperboles were a bit over the top) is because a call is how good lags make money off of us. They take us off best hands when we both miss and when we play back the times we flop something, they won't continue in the hand unless if they have us beat.

your pfr is much higher than mine. so coming from a pseudo smart lag, wouldn't you agree that you would much prefer somebody behind you who reraised with a well defined range rather than somebody who occasionally threw in a well timed reraise bluff?

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Good post.

To answer your question.. yes. One of the more annoying adjustments that I have seen better players make against me is re-raising light with hands like an ace-jack suited.

This forces me to make a counter adjustment. The best adjustment to make here is something that I have been thinking about. I don't really want to re-re-raise light with stuff like AQ or JJ because before I know it I'm all-in and all the play in the hand is gone.

I'm basically resigned to calling the re-raise and then going for a check-raise all in on the flop. Perhaps the best adjustment is just to change gears.

[jkkkk]

Uhm no, if villain is a bad LAG, re-raising is great (in this case I think re raising is OK) but if the villain is simply a little looser and aggressive than most, which range of hands do you see him calling with?

[amoeba]

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Uhm no, if villain is a bad LAG, re-raising is great (in this case I think re raising is OK) but if the villain is simply a little looser and aggressive than most, which range of hands do you see him calling with?

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if villain is bad LAG, reraising is bad. if villain is bad lag and he 3 bets all in, what do you do? if villain is bad lag and he smoothcalls and then fires pot on a KJx flop, what do you do? or if flop comes all unders and he bets pot?

you are put in to many many more marginal situations if villain is bad lag than if villain is good LAG assuming good LAG villain does not think you capable of reraising AJ.

I don't mind a fold from villains of hands that I am coinflip with or near coinflip with (KT, KQ). I also don't mind if villain folds suited connectors and other implied odds hands. but if he does call my reraise with say a mid pocket pair hoping to bust my "obvious" AA/KK, I make money when he doesn't hit his set and I don't lose much the times he does hit. if he calls with AK, AQ, because we are sharing the A, it will happen less than 1/3 the time that he flops a pair and even if he does flop the pair, playing it out of position against a tight preflop reraiser sucks thus if he is smart LAG, he likely folds a lots of better hands.

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Uhm no, if villain is a bad LAG, re-raising is great (in this case I think re raising is OK) but if the villain is simply a little looser and aggressive than most, which range of hands do you see him calling with?

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What I think Amoeba's point is, which I happend to agree with, is reraising a good LAG who can get away from a hand is good here. Reraising a bad, shove it in with any 2 never fold LAG is bad. The key difference...fold equity.

[jkkkk]

Fold equity aside (I really don't assume too much fold equity pre-flop in the Party games I play), I want to get money in the middle pre-flop when I'm a favourite against our villains range, the only thing calling AJ are hands dominating it from someone with half a brain or like you said, someone whos think they will get paid off post-flop if they hit.

If you re-raise AJ here-call, flop 56Jr, check to you, bet-raise.. you throw up, fold, have just spewed.

[amoeba]

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Fold equity aside (I really don't assume too much fold equity pre-flop in the Party games I play), I want to get money in the middle pre-flop when I'm a favourite against our villains range, the only thing calling AJ are hands dominating it from someone with half a brain or like you said, someone whos think they will get paid off post-flop if they hit.

If you re-raise AJ here-call, flop 56Jr, check to you, bet-raise.. you throw up, fold, have just spewed.

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in your example with the 56Jr flop, are we playing against good lag or bad lag?

[ryanghall]

Seems like a pretty easy call to me...

Am I missing something?

Ryan

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Seems like a pretty easy call to me...

Am I missing something?

Ryan

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The call is easy. The thread turned into a question about the merit of reraising a LAG when we have position with a marginal hand.

talk about dissapointment. This thread had 33 replies so I had to see what all the kafuffle was about, and it turns out the hand was pretty simple. Yeah I like hero's line, and yeah I like a call.

Preflop: Me personally I like to call here, and would rather put a small suited connecter in my reraising hand range

[BobboFitos]

i sometimes check this flop, given how it's played out, you make the crying call on the turn.

I think pf is good, folding raising calling are all viable. I haven't poured through what people say but intuitively reraising is best.

edit:* Although I would call more often then reraise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]