From the internet to live play -- Giving off tells? - Page 2

TaoTe · #11 06-23-2005, 06:26 PM

The chip glance is a tell I've found in many players. Staring at the flop for a prolonged period of time is another. I've done that myself when trying to figure out what two running cards can give me a straight or some other ridiculous draw I have because the flopped missed my hand.

I usually don't go out of my way to look for tells, as one may mean a monster hand for one person and stone cold bluff for another. I just try to recognize betting patterns and the type of player I'm up against: loose, tight, rock, insane, etc.

Oh yes, one very important tell you want to avoid. Don't talk during a hand. I never answer any questions except if asked how many chips you have left. I'm not sure of the rule, but does anyone know if you must answer this question, or can you have the dealer or floor person do it?

billyjex · #12 06-23-2005, 06:34 PM

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Oh yes, one very important tell you want to avoid. Don't talk during a hand. I never answer any questions except if asked how many chips you have left. I'm not sure of the rule, but does anyone know if you must answer this question, or can you have the dealer or floor person do it?

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Thanks for the advice everyone. I really need to get some more live experience.

As to if you have to say your chip count, ont he WPT last night (Reno World Poker Challenge) Ivey was in a big hand with an amatuer and asked him to count his chips -- he wouldn't and asked the tournament director too, which was fine.

Temp Hutter · #13 06-23-2005, 06:56 PM

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I guess I'm wondering, especially to you guys who have been playing/played in the WSOP this year and previous years, are there any tells that I should concern myself about? Obviously I will try to sit still and motionless while I play a hand, but I'm wondering if some of those pros can pick up things not even I'm aware of..

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Fake tells are more fun. If you are a total unknown and you are up against a solid pro, I recommend giving them a few false tells. For instance, if you are looking for a call, act like you are bluffing and sit up in your chair and stare the guy down like you are trying to intimidate him into folding. You will be surprised how many very good players assume that you are a total schmuck and pay you off. Poker can be so much fun.

On a related note, the best advise I have is to not play scared. Good luck.

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smoore · #14 06-23-2005, 06:57 PM

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I never wear hats in real life, but always at the casino.

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haha, that's a great distinction.

Why would you recommend against glasses? Do you think he has enough time to mitigate these reasons between now and the ME in his $50 tournaments? I wear eyeglasses so sunglasses are just right out for me unless I got 'scrips... I think I would if I were to play in a big event.

RE chip counts: What happens if you lie? Say I'm facing a big bet from Ivey and push. Avg stack is say $50k and I obviously have less than that. He turns to me and says, "How deep are you?" I look him straight in the eye (from behind my prescription raybans, of course) and reply confidently, "Three hundred twenty five thousand, four hundred."

Do I get penalized in any way?

MLG · #15 06-23-2005, 06:58 PM

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Obviously I will try to sit still and motionless while I play a hand

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This isnt really the best idea. Instead, find a rythym or routine that your comfortable with and make sure you repeat it every hand. I find there are two crucial times. 1 is looking at your cards (I like to look right when I get them unless im the BB then I wait). The 2nd is when you are getting stared down. If its not natural for you to sit still then trying to do that will result in you giving something away. Focus on picking a spot to look at, and picking ang angle to sit at, the little things that are easily repeatable.

smoore · #16 06-23-2005, 07:01 PM

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Focus on picking a spot to look at, and picking ang angle to sit at, the little things that are easily repeatable.

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That's a great point. I think that's why I adopted the elbows on rail/slightly hunched posture. I like to stare at the dealer's hands during these uncomfortable moments.

DireWolf · #17 06-23-2005, 07:04 PM

Off topic question:

say someone is staring you down? what are they looking for. In the few times i have had this happen to me, i have gotten kind of nervous whether i have a hand or not. and i would think it would differ for people?

MLG · #18 06-23-2005, 07:07 PM

When I do it I'm looking for something different. I'm mentally comparing how they're acting now to how they acted when I saw a hand they showed down. I mean sometimes there's the classic strong means weak stuff, and sometimes somebody will start talking in a manner that gives away what they have, but generally Im just looking for something different.

DireWolf · #19 06-23-2005, 07:11 PM

allright cool.

IHateKeithSmart · #20 06-23-2005, 07:13 PM

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I never wear hats in real life, but always at the casino.

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haha, that's a great distinction.

Why would you recommend against glasses? Do you think he has enough time to mitigate these reasons between now and the ME in his $50 tournaments? I wear eyeglasses so sunglasses are just right out for me unless I got 'scrips... I think I would if I were to play in a big event.

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Heh, whoops, shoulda said 'never wear hats outside of the casino'. WRT the glasses, it will feel unnatural if you haven't done it before. Plus, depending on where you're sitting, it can make the board harder to read. I tried wearing glasses at my first final table but ditched them after about 2 orbits b/c they didn't feel right, YMMV.

But, if you are used to wearing glasses, go for it.