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Old 04-24-2004, 08:01 PM
lostinthought lostinthought is offline
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Default Who says suited connectors are -EV?

Here's a hand that I just played at UB.. I was happy with the way that I played it, but wondering if I overdid it..

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (15.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (15.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 18.70 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 18.70 BB, between Hero, Button and BB.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (18.70 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Button shows As Ks (one pair, kings).
BB shows Kh Th (one pair, kings).
Hero shows 7d 6d (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.70 BB. </font>


What do you think?
I'll post my thoughts later..
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Old 04-24-2004, 08:05 PM
Joe Tall Joe Tall is offline
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

Who says suited connectors are -EV?

There not -EV, but it looks as if you are on a mission to make them negative.

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Old 04-24-2004, 08:16 PM
lostinthought lostinthought is offline
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

That's fine, how do you think i should have played this differently?

thanks
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Old 04-24-2004, 08:22 PM
Mike Haven Mike Haven is offline
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

it's good to be reminded of how much fun cards used to be when gambling was gambling
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Old 04-24-2004, 08:48 PM
Trix Trix is offline
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

Dont reraíse preflop.

Dont bet the flop if you hadn´t raised preflop. Or when you did for that matter, you are asking to be isolated with a draw. Eliminating the field doesn´t help your hand.

I dont know the words to describe the turn checkraise.

Normally you would have an easy check-raise on the river as you would have been "less" aggressive.
You might still have one though.
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Old 04-24-2004, 09:08 PM
bisonbison bisonbison is offline
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

terrible. simply terrible.
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Old 04-24-2004, 09:46 PM
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

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Who says suited connectors are -EV?

There not -EV, but it looks as if you are on a mission to make them negative.

Peace,
Joe Tall

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ROFLM*O [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 04-24-2004, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

Why on earth would you check-raise the turn?
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Old 04-24-2004, 10:46 PM
Clarkmeister Clarkmeister is offline
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

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Why on earth would you check-raise the turn?

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I'll take a stab that he thought the button was on auto-bet when checked to. Since the button didn't raise the flop, he figured the button didn't have much hand, but enough to win a showdown. He put the blind on a draw and figured that he could use the blind to leverage the button into a fold, leaving him to inherit the pot on the river if clubs didn't come.

Probabaly not going to work very often in anything short of an $80-160 game. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 04-25-2004, 01:08 AM
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Default Re: Who says suited connectors are -EV?

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That's fine, how do you think i should have played this differently?


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No, it should be "that's fine, how do you think i should have played this--differently?
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