9 person vs 10 person

djk123 · #1 10-03-2005, 03:32 PM

I play 9 handed sngs at absolute poker. Since there are only 9 people, should my ROI be a little less than the percentage that is given in the FAQ for a good player (25% for the $11)? or does it not matter?

JJKillian · #2 10-03-2005, 04:07 PM

I have often wondered this same question. This is some killer math involved with this one....I think.

9 person = less prize fund but also means your 1 closer to the money at the beginning plus one last hand dealt out ever time.

Is it higher ROI? Less? or More?

JJ

KingDan · #3 10-03-2005, 04:24 PM

My guess would be lower ROI, as there is less room to outplay your opponents.

DaveKForty7 · #4 10-03-2005, 04:30 PM

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My guess would be lower ROI, as there is less room to outplay your opponents.

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Ya but there's fewer opponents to outplay.

HighestCard · #5 10-03-2005, 04:40 PM

Well, lets put some numbers to this...

Lets say both 10 dollar buy in, 50/30/20 payout. (I'm ignoring rake)
1st in 10 person = 500% roi
1st in 9 person = 450% roi

Chance of 1st in 10 person 1/10
Chance of 1st in 9 person 1/9

500%/10 = 50
450%/9 = *gasp* 50

The numbers even out.... its the hourly rate that dosent even out. Although one could argue that a 9 person SnG takes 1/10 of the time shorter than a 10 person but thats more speculation than anything else.

Note: I'm not 100% sure my reasoning is correct, ask "eastbay" if you really want to know.

JJKillian · #6 10-03-2005, 04:54 PM

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The numbers even out.... its the hourly rate that dosent even out. Although one could argue that a 9 person SnG takes 1/10 of the time shorter than a 10 person but thats more speculation than anything else.

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I recently saw a post by raptor saying that he will give up ROI for the hourly rate, so maybe 9 is better.

Also if your on a rake back program and it truly is faster then that would make some cash as well.

One other thing to consider at least for me. I play mainly on PP skins. That 800/1000 chip speeds up the tournament time....I believe. I have only played a hand full of 1500 chip sngs. I know there are turbos on UB and I would imagine the other sites as well. But if someone puts some math to this whole thing, just think that should also be a consideration.

JJ

Ogre · #7 10-03-2005, 05:19 PM

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I recently saw a post by raptor saying that he will give up ROI for the hourly rate, so maybe 9 is better.

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dont party sngs go faster then 9 person stars tournys anyway?

JJKillian · #8 10-03-2005, 08:43 PM

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I recently saw a post by raptor saying that he will give up ROI for the hourly rate, so maybe 9 is better.

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dont party sngs go faster then 9 person stars tournys anyway?

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yeah see my second post in this thread, I made a comment towards that.

I am just interested to see what the math says on this, it is beyond my math skills though.

JJ

lorinda · #9 10-03-2005, 08:52 PM

I'm going to guess that with an identical structure it should be slightly lower.

For some reason right now I can't work out why, but I'd swear that I'm right.

Lori

lorinda · #10 10-03-2005, 08:54 PM

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(I'm ignoring rake)

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For some reason I feel that the rake makes less players a bad thing, again I'm getting annoyed because I'm not thinking clearly enough to work out why.

Lori