Saving a Bet....and Some Poor Turn Play?

Jeffage · #1 09-22-2005, 03:25 PM

30-60 on Party. I have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button. Unknown MP opens for a raise and I reraise. A loose player calls out of the SB and the BB folds. MP calls and we see the flop 3-ways.

4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets, MP calls and I call. Turn is the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB bets, MP calls and I raise. SB now reraises, MP coldcalls and I call. Anyone let go of this here in my spot?

River is the 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB checks, MP now bets, I fold and SB calls. Comments?

Jeff

BigEndian · #2 09-22-2005, 03:35 PM

What are the odds MP is being creative with AT on the river? I agree it looks like you're done on the turn though.

- Jim

spoohunter · #3 09-22-2005, 03:39 PM

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What are the odds MP is being creative with AT on the river? I agree it looks like you're done on the turn though.

- Jim

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Doesn't matter, SB has him killed here. If he was bluffing the turn he would have led the river.

Jeffage · #4 09-22-2005, 03:43 PM

Not to mention...MP's play seems pretty clearly like a flush draw to me when he called two cold on the turn. I think he knows SB isnt folding yet he still bets...he wants the call and doesnt want to see it go check, check, check. What about the turn...live this might be an easier muck, even against a loose player. Online, I probably still should have folded.

spoohunter · #5 09-22-2005, 03:50 PM

As to the turn fold I don't think you can do it.
Pot's big and SB could easily have just two pair. Not that I don't think he can't have you drawing dead or to two outs, but I would be calling alot of river cards here.

Paluka · #6 09-22-2005, 03:52 PM

I don't think you can fold on this turn, but I usually raise the flop in multiway pots.

YoureToast · #7 09-22-2005, 03:54 PM

If you raise the flop, you can fold on the turn to a check raise. Thats how I would have played it with this board.

Jeffage · #8 09-22-2005, 04:03 PM

If I raised the flop, wouldn't some people put me on a big cards raise and checkraise the turn with a hand I'm beating?

Jeff

YoureToast · #9 09-22-2005, 04:10 PM

some people would, most wouldn't -- in my experience. a turn bluff or semi bluff raise against a seemeingly strong hand (yours) is rare I think. (so if you ever play me, you know how to beat me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

#10 09-22-2005, 04:27 PM

That is a harder fold to make on the turn than you make it seem like. If I raise the flop and get check raised on the turn, there are still some hands I am beating, and a lot of the hands I am not beating I have a good number of outs against (specifically if he has two pair). Not an easy fold on the turn to a check raise.