Is this rake excessive?

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I played yesterday in a $60.00 Buy in 1/2 NLHE Cash game at Crown Casino in Melbourne Australia. Not only did the house rake every pot but every hour on the hour each player had to cough up an additional $5.00. They also have a $200 Buy in 5/10 game and the rake is exactly the same. I just don't think this is fair. So the easy answer is don't sit down. But given the revolution of NLHE every budding new player wants to sit down and give it a try. Myself and two friends had no trouble making $50 - $60 an hour even with the heavy tax. What do you guys think? Is it excessive?

[TheCroShow]

WHOA WTF? is this an underground game? if it's a casino (i know nothing about poker there), that is absolutely ridiculous

[captswifty]

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I played yesterday in a $60.00 Buy in 1/2 NLHE Cash game at Crown Casino in Melbourne Australia. Not only did the house rake every pot but every hour on the hour each player had to cough up an additional $5.00. They also have a $200 Buy in 5/10 game and the rake is exactly the same. I just don't think this is fair. So the easy answer is don't sit down. But given the revolution of NLHE every budding new player wants to sit down and give it a try. Myself and two friends had no trouble making $50 - $60 an hour even with the heavy tax. What do you guys think? Is it excessive?

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How much did they rake every pot? I'm assuming that it's more than just $1 per hand, so then yes, it's excessive. It would be excessive if they raked only $1 per hand. I wouldn't play in a game that raked that much.

The $50-$60 per hour that you made is not a sustainable rate at that table. You need to play much longer than one session to know how much you can make per hour, and it's not going to be that much. The buy-in is also too low. For a game with a $2 big blind, the buy-in should be at least $100.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't play in the game. If you're only playing in it for entertainment, go for it. But if you want to make any kind of profit (or just break even with that insane rake), then it's not worth it.

I heard that dealers in Australia don't get tips. Is that true?

[captswifty]

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WHOA WTF? is this an underground game? if it's a casino (i know nothing about poker there), that is absolutely ridiculous

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He said it was at Crown Casino, so I'm assuming that it's a legal casino.

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It was $2 per pot and I totally agree that you can't judge what a sustainable rate is based on one 10 hour session. I must say though every player that sat down was terrible and it was the only reason I kept playing. Poker has exploded in Australia in the last 12 months and Crown in Melbourne are cashing in on all the new players. I don't play professionally as I have a pretty high paying job and poker is pleasure for me. Having said that I don't like giving my money away. Yes it is true that dealers do not get tips in Australia. Australia is not a tipping culture like the US. Having said that players are forbidden to tip dealers even if they want to.

[blatz]

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I heard that dealers in Australia don't get tips. Is that true?

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Yeah, no tipping...and they are not allowed to accept tips even if you try. There's a horrid catch though, booze aint free. If i recall, the special was a non alcoholic frozen Daquiri for 2 dollars. Didn't seem that special to me.

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I heard that dealers in Australia don't get tips. Is that true?

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Yeah, no tipping...and they are not allowed to accept tips even if you try. There's a horrid catch though, booze aint free. If i recall, the special was a non alcoholic frozen Daquiri for 2 dollars. Didn't seem that special to me.

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All true.

I suppose it's a simple supply and demand equation. Crown Casino has the only legal card room in Melbourne, the next closest B&M is 600 miles away in Sydney. So Crown doesn't need to entice players with free booze as we have no alternative. With no competition they can pretty much do as they choose. That aside, it's a friendly atmosphere, the dealers are great and action is a plenty.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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Myself and two friends had no trouble making $50 - $60 an hour even with the heavy tax.

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If you think this type of hourly rate is sustainable, then you have major delusions and shouldn't be pretending to know what you are doing in any way, shape or form, not even in your dreams.

Given the rake you described, any player with any knowledge of "real" poker would realize this is not only unbeatable, but absolutely ridiculously unprofitable to the point of laughability, and wouldn't even need to ask whether it's reasonable or not.

Sorry to be blunt, but..................

al

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Myself and two friends had no trouble making $50 - $60 an hour even with the heavy tax.

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If you think this type of hourly rate is sustainable, then you have major delusions and shouldn't be pretending to know what you are doing in any way, shape or form, not even in your dreams.

Given the rake you described, any player with any knowledge of "real" poker would realize this is not only unbeatable, but absolutely ridiculously unprofitable to the point of laughability, and wouldn't even need to ask whether it's reasonable or not.

Sorry to be blunt, but..................

al

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No problem Al no offence taken.

I'm used to the arrogant elitests like yourself at who post at this site. People like you would never have the guts to stand across from someone and say face to face what you type behind the safety of your computer.
Much of what you say is probably true but it doesn't change the fact that you are gutless.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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I'm used to the arrogant elitests like yourself at who post at this site. People like you would never have the guts to stand across from someone and say face to face what you type behind the safety of your computer.
Much of what you say is probably true but it doesn't change the fact that you are gutless.



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AM I gutless?

Everyone knows I am actually Dave Adams, a dealer and floorman in las vegas, who currently as of this date works at the aladdin casino.

I am also a long time and prolific poster on 2+2, a person who used to go by the name "dave in cali" since 1997, but since 2002 has gone by Al Capone Junior, and who has posted over 4000 times just in the last four years, and probably more like 10,000 times since I first started posting on 2+2.

In 2000 my essay "the curse of knowledge" was published in the conjelco newsletter, along with various other "well known" authors (if you don't know what the conjelco newsletter is, then you're a bigger moron that I thought). Check it out if you don't believe me, one version is STILL posted at http://www.thepokerforum.com/curseofknowledge.htm

Another of my essays is published at that particular site is http://www.thepokerforum.com/rakeandtime.htm

So before you call me gutless, let me make one thing clear...

I guarantee I WILL say the EXACT same thing to your face as I have on these forums, and since I make no effort to hide my identity behind some pathetic internet false identity, you are free to forever and always come see me in person and see if I still have the same thing to say!

I say what I say because I have done MY homework, and I have a LOT of experience both a no limit and at limit, a matter of THOUSANDS of hours (not a mere 85 hours or whatever).

So I suggest you be a little more careful about who you call an "arrogant elitist." Some of us have been here since before you were BORN punk. With your measly 86 posts I can't say you have really EARNED much of a reputation as an "arrogant elitist". GAG me with a fuggin' spork from kentucky fried chicken alread, you friggin punk.

Fuggin' punk. I'll kick you in the nuts.

al

p.s. (slightly pissed off at the moment, but still an "arrogant elitist")

p.p.s. yeah, I'm friggin' arrogant, but I have EARNED it you friggin' punk