Future of RakeBack at Party Skins

[busguy]

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Yes, I'm well aware of this.

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Yah . . . you just thought you be an ass by pointing out the obvious.


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As I said, the affiliate spends 5 minutes signing a guy up, and then is rewarded with rakeback for the player's hard work for the rest of his playing career, which is stupid.

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Yah it would be way better if Party kept it all wouldn't it ?? . . . .


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The ultimate solution is to give the affiliate a flat fee for signing up the new player. After that, he gets nothing. The rakeback could be redirected to the player on an incentive program. If he plays few hands, he gets a very small percentage. They more hands he plays, the higher percentage he gets back (capped at 25% or whatever). This alone would give all players the incentive to play more, thus generating more profit for the site.

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Do you seriously not understand why this will not happen in the foreseable future ?? Party's hands are tied in that (although a good idea) it would be very hard to implement and probably very ineffective at getting the players back that it has already lost. Because something like that was not implemented from the start, Party probably wouldn't (even if it wanted to) make something like that work now that the rampant rake-back stuff is occuring at the skins.

Quit whining about how stupid it is and realize that Party is likely doing by far the most effective (and logical) solution to this (party's) problem . . . and is VERY unlikely to alter it's position.

I do totally agree with you though that it would be great if we could get Party to realize the value of the high volume player and then get them to do something to look after us more.

busguy

[ThaSaltCracka]

so...this seems silly, they are only going to give money back to affiliates in lump sums. Of course the affiliates are for this plan, because they won't be able to pay those that signed up under them. Why don't all the players just create new accounts and say [censored] the affiliates?

[Non_Comformist]

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SinCityGuy

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Clearly you understand your avatar kicks all of kinds of ass.

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http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...ead.php?t=5858

[thwang99]

That's the main point here, I think even without rakeback, people will STILL play at party cause that's where the fish are! Party raised their rake in the past, and yet it was still the best place to play.

I believe even if rakeback ended, AND the rake was raised yet AGAIN, party would still be the most profitable place to play.

- Tony

[cbfair]

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http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...ead.php?t=5858

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I've read several threads at casinoaffiliates.com today and in every one, the affiliates come off as whiny children tattling on their siblings to Momma Satya. Not only is their handling of the situation childish and silly, but the affiliates posting on that site come off as wanting to mooch off their client players and give nothing in return.

As a player, I just don't see any reason to give these leaches any cut of my play if they aren't providing a tangible service. It's just as easy to go directly to partypoker.com and download the client without using an affiliate link as it is to click through one of their portal sites. Contrary to their beliefs, many people know they are clicking through an affiliate link and give thought to who is benefitting from the deal even if they don't consider rakeback.

While I don't have a pat answer for which approach is best for Party or the affiliates, I do happen to be a happy client of the "major affiliate" that they all want to see brought down. And quite frankly, I'm offended by the whole thing. This isn't because I'm greedy and want something for nothing (I am and I do, but thats not why I care) its because I'm very satisfied with the business relationship I've established with my affliate. Everyone gets exactly what they expect, Party gets all of my non bonus-chasing play, the affiliate receives some healthy income and I get gift cards which all go to my wife and keep her satisfied with the time I spend playing.

If the leaches posting at casinoaffiliates.com have their way, they would destroy that healthy, functioning relationship and still not get my business.

In other words, because they are not creative enough to compete with a leader, the seek to cut that leader down at the knees and hurt thousands of players in the process. That is simply childish.

[DMBFan23]

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so...this seems silly, they are only going to give money back to affiliates in lump sums. Of course the affiliates are for this plan, because they won't be able to pay those that signed up under them. Why don't all the players just create new accounts and say [censored] the affiliates?

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I imagine many players will do this if their affiliates cannot work something out

[Jeff W]

Good post. I agree wholeheartedly.

[Soleo]

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How does an affiliate have access to your PT data - or how can an affiliate trust your PT data?

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It's not that hard and PT is not necessary here: affiliate should provide his players with executable application which will read HH-files from player's hard drive and count hands where rake has been added for this player during appropriate period. Then it should digitally sign collected summary info with its key and provide encrypted text to player to send it manually by e-mail to affiliate.
This will not guarantee that player didn't add fake hand histories to wind up his rakeback but it's not a problem: having all the data from all players affiliate will become able to find 1 screwing component from total and then fire him. However if more than 1 player makes fake data then it will be impossible to detect who specifically does.
But I think additional automated random checks at affiliate's side using some requested HHs by # will solve the problem - player will know that he has say 20% chance to be caught with fake hand histories, so highly unlikely that any abuse will take place. (Then all processed hands numbers should probably be included into summary being sent to affiliate. Some archiving may be used instead of encrypting to reduce the summary size.)

[jrbick]

This is from another post (name below) in this forum and thought I may get an answer here.

Quote: Re: how do these rakeback providers not get caught? [Re: LinusKS]
#2272244 - 04/29/05 01:55 AM

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They're under pressure from their legitimate affiliates - the ones that don't offer rakeback. An affiliate who doesn't offer rakeback can't compete against the ones that do.

Also, rakeback has created a tremendous incentive for Party players to move to other skins, or to create second accounts, so that they can get in on the action. The point of affiliates, remember, is to generate new players, not to cannabalize the existing player base. The majority of rb deals - I'd be willing to bet - go to players who already have at least one account.


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DISCLAIMER -- If I misunderstand any of the inner-workings of iGlobalMedia and it's relationship to PTY, forgive me and please correct me.

This (above quote) is exactly what makes me wonder why the the future of Empire and co. have anything to worry about --
Is it not iGlobalMedia that is truly running the show here thus rendering the precise skin of "Party Poker" as expendable? I'm not seeing how "Party Poker" is absolutely essential other than for origninality; but even then, it's not as if PP has marketed itself to the point of being irreplaceable, no?

Case in point, if Empire/Euro/etc. are generating PLENTY 'O MONEY for iGlobalMedia, what does iGlobalMedia care? Are Empire and co. accountable directly to PP?

Maybe I misunderstand the importance of PP to iGlobalMedia's marketing strength?