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12-02-2005, 11:51 AM
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Re: AA
I think that is perfect, even if she thinks you are crazy.
If you are going to put a bet in on the river, I think betting and folding is superior to check-calling especially against a passive player and a board like that. If she is bluffing or raising a pair of aces on that river, she deserves that pot. I think checking and calling is like flushing 80 dollars down the toilet. Betting and folding is like flushing less than 80 dollars down the toilet. I'm not sure about these meta game considerations that Death Donkey is talking about. 
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#2
12-02-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: AA
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I think that is perfect, even if she thinks you are crazy. If you are going to put a bet in on the river, I think betting and folding is superior to check-calling especially against a passive player and a board like that. If she is bluffing or raising a pair of aces on that river, she deserves that pot. I think checking and calling is like flushing 80 dollars down the toilet. Betting and folding is like flushing less than 80 dollars down the toilet. I'm not sure about these meta game considerations that Death Donkey is talking about. [/ QUOTE ] What hands can she have on the river that Dave can value bet with, especially when she's passive and 4-bet preflop and 5-bet the flop? If a bet is going in it's a check-call because then I can consider at least some chance of her having AA -- given her lack of a turn raise it's 3:1 in favor of KK, but I only need her to be betting AA one in 8.5 times for a check-call to be the best play. I don't think I'm ahead close to 55% of the time that I bet and am called by a notably passive player on this river, even when I'm a crazy asian with a tie wrapped around my head -- but I do think she'll bet AA when checked to, because in general, that's what people do. So I really don't see a check-call as throwing money away at all. Actually I think a bet-call might be worse here but someone's gonna have to explain to me what being asian really does for your image. rob
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#3
12-02-2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: AA
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someone's gonna have to explain to me what being asian really does for your image. [/ QUOTE ] Typically, asians are tossed into one of two buckets: 1) extremely conservative and probably wouldn't be at the table in the first place, 2) GAAAAAAMBOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! - Jim
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#4
12-02-2005, 12:47 PM
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Re: AA
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[ QUOTE ] someone's gonna have to explain to me what being asian really does for your image. [/ QUOTE ] Typically, asians are tossed into one of two buckets: 1) extremely conservative and probably wouldn't be at the table in the first place, 2) GAAAAAAMBOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! - Jim [/ QUOTE ] Hehe, I know. I was just trying to elucidate the fact that I don't think it's a good bet even with Dave's image. Yeah, it's possible she could have gotten way out of line with JJ and be calling down, but I find that way less likely than the combined odds of betting into KK or a chop. Rob
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#5
12-02-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: AA
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone's gonna have to explain to me what being asian really does for your image. [/ QUOTE ] Typically, asians are tossed into one of two buckets: 1) extremely conservative and probably wouldn't be at the table in the first place, 2) GAAAAAAMBOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! - Jim [/ QUOTE ] Hehe, I know. I was just trying to elucidate the fact that I don't think it's a good bet even with Dave's image. Yeah, it's possible she could have gotten way out of line with JJ and be calling down, but I find that way less likely than the combined odds of betting into KK or a chop. Rob [/ QUOTE ] She would play AQ the same against me, maybe even AsKs. At least until the river.
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#6
12-02-2005, 01:04 PM
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Re: AA
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone's gonna have to explain to me what being asian really does for your image. [/ QUOTE ] Typically, asians are tossed into one of two buckets: 1) extremely conservative and probably wouldn't be at the table in the first place, 2) GAAAAAAMBOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! - Jim [/ QUOTE ] Hehe, I know. I was just trying to elucidate the fact that I don't think it's a good bet even with Dave's image. Yeah, it's possible she could have gotten way out of line with JJ and be calling down, but I find that way less likely than the combined odds of betting into KK or a chop. Rob [/ QUOTE ] She would play AQ the same against me, maybe even AsKs. At least until the river. [/ QUOTE ] Ugh. If that's the case then stop calling her "too passive" in her description. I know you've got a crazy image but that really needs to be included in the OP, because people who are a little too passive don't generally go 4 bets preflop and 5 bets on the flop with TPTK. Rob
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#7
12-02-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: AA
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] someone's gonna have to explain to me what being asian really does for your image. [/ QUOTE ] Typically, asians are tossed into one of two buckets: 1) extremely conservative and probably wouldn't be at the table in the first place, 2) GAAAAAAMBOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! - Jim [/ QUOTE ] Hehe, I know. I was just trying to elucidate the fact that I don't think it's a good bet even with Dave's image. Yeah, it's possible she could have gotten way out of line with JJ and be calling down, but I find that way less likely than the combined odds of betting into KK or a chop. Rob [/ QUOTE ] She would play AQ the same against me, maybe even AsKs. At least until the river. [/ QUOTE ] Ugh. If that's the case then stop calling her "too passive" in her description. I know you've got a crazy image but that really needs to be included in the OP, because people who are a little too passive don't generally go 4 bets preflop and 5 bets on the flop with TPTK. Rob [/ QUOTE ] She is too passive. I 5-bet the flop, and I don't think that 4-betting AQ in a stealish situation is a litmus test for proper aggression.
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#8
12-02-2005, 05:59 PM
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Re: AA
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She would play AQ the same against me, maybe even AsKs. At least until the river. [/ QUOTE ] The goal posts are shifting. This passive person playing higher than usual 4 bets preflop and 4 bets the flop with AQ? Can she have KQ? Once the river hits you can rule out AsKs, so that's not relevant. Anyway, I guess you've answered the question what you put her on before betting the river: AA, KK, or AQ... But one more question: Since you know that she will never raise a worse hand, and will call or check with some hands that you beat, why do you post this hand which you played so perfectly?
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