getting Too Fancy in the 3/6?

[philnewall]

Stats in MP1 are 14/11/155 hands, so a right TAG.

When he caps preflop and raisies me on the flop I have to put him on AA-JJ, with AK and TT both possible but less likely. When the ace comes on frouth this obviously decreases the chances that he has aces. My check raise on the turn was meant to fold his most likely hand that beats me KK, as I felt that given my play an ace is a likely holding for me. So is this just way too fancy, or a decent move, what other options are there on fourth? Check-calling the turn and river seems optomistic as I'm only ahead of JJ. So either some sort of stop and go or a puny check/fold.


Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

[philnewall]

Bumpy.

[J.R.]

3-bet the flop if you don't feel good about things. leave the turn alone if u couldn't 3-bet the flop.

use your range of hands to estimate the frequency he has KK and QQ as well as the frequency he has something else. then estimate what you earn if KK and QQ always bet this turn (a good player shouldn't) and folds to your check-raise and also estimate what you lose to all the better hands that don't fold to the turn check-raise and compare. the total should be a red number. in other words the turn is bad

[spydog]

Maybe it's weak, but I think this is a good situation to get passive awhen OOP against a TAG, despite having an overpair. I would check-call the flop and bet-fold the Ace turn card. I doubt he raises with a worse hand on the turn because he will fear a 3-bet and he probably just wants a showdown with JJ-KK if you lead the turn.

[coolhanded]

I like the move----gains information-----his flop raise could mean AA, KK, AK, or JJ. Since you ID him as TAG, I fold to a reraise. If he calls, bet the river.

[spydog]

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I like the move----gains information-----

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Be very careful of making a bet on an expensive street to 'gain information'. You should normally only bet/raise to 'gain information' on the cheaper streets (PF/Flop).

Why spend 2BBs to gain information if you might fold when you could spend that same 2BBs by check-calling the turn/river, which will get you 100% ironclad information with a showdown?

[Donk]

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Stats in MP1 are 14/11/155 hands, so a right TAG.

When he caps preflop and raisies me on the flop I have to put him on AA-JJ, with AK and TT both possible but less likely. When the ace comes on frouth this obviously decreases the chances that he has aces. My check raise on the turn was meant to fold his most likely hand that beats me KK, as I felt that given my play an ace is a likely holding for me. So is this just way too fancy, or a decent move, what other options are there on fourth? Check-calling the turn and river seems optomistic as I'm only ahead of JJ. So either some sort of stop and go or a puny check/fold.


Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

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I like the move, especially since I think I was villain and I dumped my KK. PM me the guys name and I'll confirm.

[J.R.]

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his flop raise could mean AA, KK, AK, or JJ

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why bother to type this if it has no bearing on your suggested turn play here

[college_boy]

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I like the move, especially since I think I was villain and I dumped my KK. PM me the guys name and I'll confirm.

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This is an expensive play and I can't think of many better hands that will fold.

[J.R.]

nice turn bet [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]