Two Hands Against a Muppet

philnewall · #1 04-14-2005, 12:17 PM

hand 1:

New to the table, and I don't have any relevant data on my opponents. The preflop cold-call and the river check/planning on calling 1 bet back to me are both questionable, whats interesting is that my opponent gave all that action with just a pair of 9s.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (22 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 22 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Jh Kh (high card, king).
UTG+1 has Ks 9c (one pair, nines).
Hero has 9s 9h (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 22 BB. 

Now, this is the very next hand, UTG+1 is UTG+1 from the last hand. Given the fact that he didn't jam up the flop or turn I didn't think top pair was all that likely, given his performance in the hand right before this. I therefore felt like middle/bottom pair was a lot more likely, and on the river when both of these are paired who goes for the last bet against this opponent?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

J.R. · #2 04-14-2005, 12:22 PM

hand #1 3-bet preflop

hand #2 bet the river

Goodnews · #3 04-14-2005, 12:27 PM

I don't think I would have bet either, even though I think you are good here, i think UTG+1 would have bet his 1 card boat, i put him a king with a weak kicker.

Goodnews · #4 04-14-2005, 12:32 PM

Why would you 3-bet preflop? JJ, TT along with AK, AQ and AJ. The only real indicators are a cap preflop which suggests AKs, QQ-AA and you will need more information later on.

Assuming that hero was against someone who had TT, JJ, AJo, AQo, and AKo, and flops unders, wouldnt you be in a position of being ahead/behind by alot?

philnewall · #5 04-14-2005, 12:35 PM

Even considering how he played the last hand? Given the relentless raising in hand 1, then the lead/calldown on hand 2 it seems like top pair is v. unlikely, and in that case the only other hand he could have that I beat is a pocket pair, which may have been counterfeited and not give me action.

philnewall · #6 04-14-2005, 12:36 PM

If I have been thinking straight I would have 3-bet preflop, given the 1/3 small blind cold-calling is bad as it lets other players in and I likely won't get odds on hitting a set. If the sb had been 1/2 or 2/3 I think the cold-call would have been better.

chief444 · #7 04-14-2005, 12:41 PM

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think UTG+1 would have bet his 1 card boat, i put him a king with a weak kicker.

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Seems reasonable, but why wouldn't you bet then? I think the river bet in hand 2 is a must.

I think the river check in hand 1 is pretty close to a bet. The fact that you got so much action to that point makes it pretty unlikely that UTG+1 has an ace and the straight came in runner-runner.

CanKid · #8 04-14-2005, 12:43 PM

Hand 1, the ranges I had BB and UTG+1 on def. included hands with an A, I check/call

Hand 2 is a river bet - pay off a raise too

CanKid · #9 04-14-2005, 12:46 PM

BB stinks of hearts, Ah is the most likely card I felt was in his hand - do you disagree?

I think it's close, but a check.

chief444 · #10 04-14-2005, 12:57 PM

I think it's possible. But I'm not sure why you feel it's most likely. From the BB he'll be playing a lot of suited combinations.