First 15/30 Foray

asdf1234 · #1 06-23-2004, 03:50 AM

This is my first time sitting 15/30 online, and I'm slightly uncomfortable, but not scared money. To this point, the only hands I have played have been my blinds when it was not raised. I have no good reads on the players involved in this hand.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB
Main Pot: 8 BB, between UTG+1 and Hero.

Comments appreciated.

bicyclekick · #2 06-23-2004, 03:55 AM

I was sweating him during this hand, and I think this is a tough hand especially when your new to a game. I personally think betting the turn is the best move. It's an EASY fold to a c/r and if you're ahead you dont wanna give a free one to beat you. I would check behind on the river, though.

rory · #3 06-23-2004, 04:42 AM

I like betting the turn with the intention of folding to a raise and checking behind on the river if just called.

Senor Choppy · #4 06-23-2004, 04:47 AM

Bet the turn. Given the Q on the river, I think a fold is in order minus specific info on your opponent.

Steve Giufre · #5 06-23-2004, 04:48 AM

Bet the turn. If you had the Jack of clubs I would take the free card. The river is just player dependant. Call if he is capable of bluffing. If UTG had been the one to bet, it would be an easy fold. But since It was the player in the middle, he has now seen both you and UTG show weakness. UTG would have led on the river with an ace, and you surely would have bet the turn with an ace. A tricky thinking player will bet that river a lot in that spot. He's in a great situation to bluff, because he has been able to gather a lot of information about both of your hand and UTG's hand. Also, the fact that he knows you may be worried about UTG overcalling behind you even though he is unlikely to have a hand, makes it that much easier. You cant beat much, but after looking at the situation, I think you made an OK call.

Zele · #6 06-23-2004, 09:12 AM

You must bet the turn.

davidross · #7 06-23-2004, 09:16 AM

I would deinitely bet once more on the turn, then probably check the river. Anyone with the Kc or Qc is going to pay th eturn bet, don't let them see the river for free.

asdf1234 · #8 06-23-2004, 04:04 PM

Thanks for the responses. Yeah, after thinking about it and discussing it with bicyclekick, about 1 minute after the hand, I realized how wrong NOT betting the turn was. As Steve said, it would have been different if I held the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG+1 had 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the flopped flush.

DcifrThs · #9 06-23-2004, 04:13 PM

Party 15/30, JJ...always a tricky hand.

a good rule of thumb though against party-goers is that you have a wide variety of value bets you never would have considered at "such a high limit" for you.

one of them is DEFINATELY on the turn. the value is two fold.

1) any draw, T, QJ, KQ, etc. will call thus giving you much EV and not betting GIVES UP that ev.

2) you can very readily fold to any resistance (i.e. checkraise) since you have 2 outs and are likely way behind)

for these reasons you must, repeat MUST bet the turn.

if called and you're checked to again its a little tricker and depends what hits on the river...normally though i'd just check behind unless i had a great read...i know a few people on party 10 and 15 that just call and call and call and i can value bet 99 on an AT5J8 board if the person never bet. these people are great because it often causes QT, KJ to fold and i get a better hand to fold AND paid off by a worse hand...being in the right RELATIVE position during a hand with one of those people is key...elysium can comment extensively on it...hes the one who got me on that track.

good luck w/ party 15. bet bet bet bet bet, and bet lol.

-Barron

Turning Stone Pro · #10 06-23-2004, 05:11 PM

I like the idea of being able to get to the river for 1 bet, as opposed to potentially being checkraised on the turn by a crazee PP maniac, or someone with a big club.

The only thing i think is a real potential risk is you give a medium club a free river to catch, when they might have folded to a turn bet.

All in all, i like your play.

Good luck at 15-30.

Joe