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18 | 52.94% |
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12-23-2005, 02:06 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
It's not even close
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12-23-2005, 02:07 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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It's not even close [/ QUOTE ] yeah, i can't believe so many people raise this... such an easy fold
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12-23-2005, 02:10 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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It's not even close [/ QUOTE ] OK, who voted fold?? I would raise 77 against most opponents as well. With 66, I would like more information about the other players in the hand. 55 I usually muck, but will occasionally 3-bet if the conditions are right.
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12-23-2005, 02:23 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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[ QUOTE ] It's not even close [/ QUOTE ] OK, who voted fold?? I would raise 77 against most opponents as well. With 66, I would like more information about the other players in the hand. 55 I usually muck, but will occasionally 3-bet if the conditions are right. [/ QUOTE ] I've found myself 3-betting 88 a lot lately. I'm not sure it's a good think yet.
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12-23-2005, 02:39 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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where do you draw the line? [/ QUOTE ] 88, 77 for some
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12-23-2005, 02:41 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
My default is reraise 88 and fold 77.
Someone said 88 is "not even close" but actually it is close. You've got four live people behind you, you are a significant underdog versus most player's UTG PFR range, you have bad implied odds*, and no significant fold equity**. You do have position on the PFR and that is a saving grace. But overall it's close. * Bad implied odds: This is the classic problem of overcards versus a pocket pair. The overcards can frequently get away on the turn when they are losing. 88 on the other hand usually finds itself trapped into paying off. You lose bigger pots than you win. ** No significant fold equity: Villain will make an incorrect fold versus 88 roughly never.
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12-23-2005, 02:41 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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I've found myself 3-betting 88 a lot lately. I'm not sure it's a good think yet. [/ QUOTE ] I figured you had it right the first time. Yes, it's a good thing, and no it's not even close.
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12-23-2005, 04:51 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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** No significant fold equity: Villain will make an incorrect fold versus 88 roughly never. [/ QUOTE ] Wha? This is obviously incorrect. He will fold hands with outs often on A and K high boards. I don't see why we wouldn't also bet those kinds of flops when checked to.
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12-23-2005, 05:07 AM
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Re: quick poll -- 88 UTG+1
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This is obviously incorrect. He will fold hands with outs often on A and K high boards. I don't see why we wouldn't also bet those kinds of flops when checked to. [/ QUOTE ] That's your argument? If you get the exact right flop he might fold a 6-outer getting 8-1? Horrors [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]. I stand by my original statement. You have no significant fold equity.
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